| Greg-J | Is there a setting in Cura to require a certain amount of filament to be required to draw a path? |
| Greg-J | I have prints that have a stupid amount of little dots being drawn, even when I have 0 infill, and I have yet to find a way to resolve the issue |
| bpye | Mazhive: E3Dv6 is nice if you want all metal, not sure if it's drop in compatible though. Why do you want a metal x carriage? |
| lowrizzle | buying a e3dv6 to put on an otherwise all chinese printer is kinda like casting pearls before swine |
| djdelorie | mmmm... bacon pearls... |
| lowrizzle | and it's not drop in for a mk8 printer, those have a square heatsink |
| lowrizzle | or rectangular |
| lowrizzle | since it's from china, it's actually meant to be a rectangle but is actually a trapezoid |
| tjb1_ | Anyone recommend a printer with minimal 3D printed parts and direct drive extruder? |
| Greg-J | tjb1_, budget? |
| Greg-J | Build volume requirements/ |
| tjb1_ | 200x200x150, $600? |
| GrantM11235 | tjb1_: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13860 |
| tjb1_ | Yeah I was looking at that and the higher one with the touchscreen |
| GrantM11235 | In that case, two of them |
| tjb1_ | Need to research which is more hackable I guess |
| tjb1_ | Probably the one you linked as it looks like it uses a standard printing display |
| Greg-J | The Wanhao CR-10 clone looks very promising. |
| Greg-J | I think they're calling it the dup 9 |
| tjb1_ | Yeah |
| Greg-J | Yeah. https://www.3dprintersbay.com/wanhao-duplicator-9 |
| tjb1_ | Hard to find where it is |
| lowrizzle | id just get a cr10 at that point |
| lowrizzle | or a tevo tornado, it has a solid state bed and gets up to 100c in 2 mins |
| tjb1_ | CR 10 is bowden |
| Greg-J | I love my CR10, but I would prefer a tornado |
| lowrizzle | oh right, direct |
| Greg-J | Just throw a Mk10 on there. |
| bpye | lowrizzle: Fair enough. I guess I can only really recommend what I have tried :) |
| tjb1_ | tornado with direct would be great |
| Greg-J | Agreed |
| lowrizzle | i kinda want a second tornado |
| lowrizzle | i do have a spare titan extruder to try doing dd on it |
| tjb1_ | You already have one? |
| Greg-J | I've been tossing around the idea of grabbing one and going DD on it. |
| djdelorie | Dunkin Donuts? |
| lowrizzle | yes, the tornado is kinda my go-to printer anymore |
| lowrizzle | it's big |
| lowrizzle | oh but there are bad jerk artifacts with the default electronics |
| lowrizzle | so maybe it's not worth it tbh |
| tjb1_ | you have any picture of inside the control? |
| tjb1_ | will a smoothie fit? |
| Greg-J | What's that direct drive that runs off of a cable? |
| Greg-J | Like a dremel extension |
| Greg-J | I forget the name |
| lowrizzle | i'm sure a smoothie would fit, and the electronics are already 24v in the tornado |
| bpye | lowrizzle: Did they fix the quality issues from the tarantula? |
| tjb1_ | Greg-J: flex3drive? |
| lowrizzle | bpye: i never had one so i wouldn't know |
| Greg-J | This thing: https://zesty.tech/products/the-nimble?variant=31732311297 |
| bpye | Greg-J: https://flex3drive.com/ ? |
| Greg-J | That on a Tornado would be perfect |
| lowrizzle | bpye: reading the facebook group though, i'm guessing 99% of issues are idiot-induced |
| lowrizzle | make a real cheap printer, get a real low bar for entry |
| Greg-J | Yeah, that's the stuff. |
| bpye | The guy behind the flex3drive hangs about here sometimes |
| bpye | seen mutley*? |
| gthx | mutley85 was last seen in #reprap 5 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes, 2 seconds ago saying 'mm'. |
| gthx | mutley was last seen in #reprap 8 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, 32 seconds ago saying 'willmore: no worries'. |
| gthx | mutley_ was last seen in #reprap 118 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, 13 seconds ago saying 'hey Lizards|Work'. |
| tjb1_ | lowrizzle: where did you get yours |
| Mazhive | bpye: durable , not bending. |
| Lizards|Work | hey, me |
| Mazhive | bpye: now i have a abs x carraige with a piece of wood ( heat resistant) between my stepper and extruder i have replaced allready once because it saged over a while |
| Mikeee | I use cork |
| VanessaE | Mazhive: you sprinkled finely chopped herbs over your extruder carriage? |
| Mazhive | VanessaE: :) why should i would it grow ?? |
| VanessaE | heh, just poking fun at the typo ;) |
| djdelorie | potpourri... |
| djdelorie | although in this case it would be printpourri |
| Mazhive | haha :) i guest so... well appreciated |
| VanessaE | heh |
| djdelorie | we all comment on what hot filament smells like. Why can't it smell like mint for a change? |
| VanessaE | +1 |
| VanessaE | ACTION is waiting for her printbite to finish heat-curing |
| Mikeee | use one of those filament oiler clips, but add mint oil to it |
| tjb1_ | lowrizzle: did you get it from Tevo aliexpress store? |
| Mazhive | e3dv6 gold ??? does it have a significant advantage ?? |
| VanessaE | I dunno....looking at it, it kinda strikes me as the "Monster Cables" of hotends |
| tjb1_ | Worth almost double the price? no |
| tjb1_ | Just get the Lite6 if you have no plans of going above 245 |
| VanessaE | tjb1: hence my "Monster" remark. |
| djdelorie | ACTION goes above 245 often... |
| VanessaE | I only go above 245 when my hotend overshoots while heating up :P |
| djdelorie | PETG layer 1 is 250 |
| VanessaE | (I can't seem to get the PID tuned just right) |
| tjb1 | Tevo Blackwidow looks better than the Tornado |
| tjb1 | You can probably take it to 250 |
| tjb1 | you just dont want the PTFE getting to 260 or so |
| tjb1 | the ptfe in the lite is pretty far up |
| tjb1 | 10-15mm from end of coldend |
| lowrizzle | tjb1: i got mine through gearbest for $333 shipped |
| tjb1 | lowrizzle: I think im going black widow |
| tjb1 | thing checks like every box of what I want |
| lowrizzle | if you get it i'd be curious how it works out |
| tjb1 | Its like $60 cheaper on gearbest vs aliexpress |
| tjb1 | How do you know the seller on gearbest? |
| lowrizzle | gearbest is just a reseller for tevo |
| tjb1 | Does aliexpress have large fees or something? |
| lowrizzle | i dunno tbh, i just know that gearbest sells a shitton of 3d printers with affiliate links |
| lowrizzle | when i bought mine i just looked for the most recent youtube review and got a link to drop another 20% off i think |
| tjb1 | and it was original tevo? |
| tjb1 | just worried about getting a copy of one if such thing even exists |
| lowrizzle | yea it's definitely the real deal, they print a test piece and leave it on the bed for you to scrape off |
| tjb1 | https://www.gearbest.com/3d-printers-3d-printer-kits/pp_625791.html?wid=21 |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/S397NExWlfBQSWGo1 |
| lowrizzle | that was how my bed came |
| Cyber_Akuma | Wow, nice |
| bpye | Now to recalibrate my sensor z offset |
| tjb1 | are there adjustments for the v wheels? |
| bpye | Bleh |
| tjb1 | only thing I havent seen yet |
| lowrizzle | yes the wheels are eccentric on all axis |
| lowrizzle | you just turn them until turning one wheel makes the others on that train move as well |
| lowrizzle | my big cxo |
| lowrizzle | complaint is that the bed can wobble on really large prints |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/PYhk2gapyuku4O8g1 |
| lowrizzle | it'll print out a stormtrooper helmet in one piece but i still have some tighening to do |
| tjb1 | what is causing that? |
| tjb1 | loose wheels? |
| lowrizzle | yea, on the z axis, i'm having trouble getting it spot on |
| tjb1 | Do you know if it matches openbuilds profile? |
| lowrizzle | also having only one leadscrew i think when it get up high it starts to just have gantry wobble |
| tjb1 | the one I looked at said "v-slot" but it was just normal slot |
| lowrizzle | it does, i've seen a lot of people on the facebook group buy polycarb wheels |
| lowrizzle | this has the profile in the slot |
| lowrizzle | the 45 degree |
| tjb1 | cool |
| r0n0x | im looking forward to my first paycheck |
| tjb1 | I think its a printer similar to the tarantula...cant remember the name now |
| lowrizzle | i had a coworker snip me about 20 pieces of assorted metals, i'm gonna test out laser engraving using cermark versus dry moly spray tonight |
| lowrizzle | i can definitely engrave steel but i'd love to learn to leave a mark on aluminum |
| tjb1 | tronxy x3 is the one with the funky v slot |
| r0n0x | since i get paid monthly its gon be huge |
| durrf2 | why is my octopi acting a fool |
| lowrizzle | oh yea the tronxy printer has normal extrusions and they basically put bathroom rollers on it |
| lowrizzle | it's horrible |
| DigitalReaper | my Anet A2 has the same thing and it is indeed horrible. the rollers are starting to shed material =/ |
| tjb1 | biggest thing about the blackwidow is the plate where they mount the hotend |
| tjb1 | you can do anything without a lot of modification |
| tjb1 | already has groovemount |
| lowrizzle | seems more rigid overall than the tornado/cr10 |
| tjb1 | dosent look like you can do usb control though |
| durrf2 | wow so the timelapse temp folder has a lot of shit in it |
| durrf2 | 73% of my sd card was timelapse temp files |
| durrf2 | gg octoprint |
| VanessaE | ok...so.. now that I've seen printbite in action (on my bot).... I'm putting this stuff on every printer I build in the future. it's like printing onto double-stick tape :) |
| djdelorie | VanessaE: with petg? |
| durrf2 | i like buildtak and clonetak |
| VanessaE | actually, pla at the moment. |
| VanessaE | (because I went with glossy black printbite, so while PLA for dialing in. didn't want to crack open my white petg yet0 |
| VanessaE | ) |
| VanessaE | s/while/white/ |
| Ameisen | VanessaE |
| Ameisen | does blender have 'flood select' |
| Ameisen | I have two objects that are discontiguous |
| Ameisen | I want to select one of them |
| VanessaE | select one of its faces, then hold ctrl-keypad-plus |
| VanessaE | (one or more faces) |
| VanessaE | you can lasso select with ctrl-left-button |
| r0n0x | are there any boost converter modules for heat beds? |
| r0n0x | like, to increase from 12v to 15 |
| Ameisen | gracias |
| lowrizzle | they have some power converters at toshi station but i don't know if they work on heated beds |
| Ameisen | He might be printing womp rats |
| tjb1 | lowrizzle: so was your experience with the tornado pretty good? I see quite a bit of bad about the black widow and tevo in general |
| lowrizzle | i assume tevo is a shit company, they copy copies, and i went in not expecting support |
| lowrizzle | i maintain that a good portion of complaints, though, are from novice printers due to the price bar being so low |
| tjb1 | I see a lot of complaints about the control and external mosfet |
| tjb1 | I plan on throwing a smoothie in anyway |
| lowrizzle | my only complaint is that the board/drivers they use causes salmon skin artifacts and i had to put in tl smoothers |
| lowrizzle | the electronics are the only weak spot really |
| lowrizzle | i'm fully satisfied with what i got and like i said i am considering buying a second |
| lowrizzle | i haven't really been using my rostock max v3 at all since i got it, maybe a few hours |
| lowrizzle | all i've done is put in the smoothers, and it does 48h prints with minimal tuning. it's pure chineseum but eh |
| tjb1 | I think Ill pull the trigger |
| tjb1 | Not really worried about electronics, just throw em all away |
| zinghm | anyone here using a azteeg x5 mini V3? |
| lowrizzle | i'd still fire it up, jog it, and do a few test prints to rule out physical issues before you do that, but you probably know that |
| tjb1 | guy complains about missing screws because they only included enough to assemble the printer |
| tjb1 | and not any extra for him to replace after he stripped them out... |
| lowrizzle | i had extras and a couple extra t-nuts |
| lowrizzle | before i ever had 3d printers i never kept metric hw on hand, but i'd just get some and not blame them |
| lowrizzle | now that i 3d print i can only seem to think in metric |
| Cyber_Akuma | I seem to switch between metric and standard based on what I am doing now |
| Cyber_Akuma | still more used to standard though |
| jstevewhite | I tend to think in imperial if I'm workin on my house, metric when I do anything else. |
| cranky | wtf |
| cranky | how the hell did USPS deliver me 1 of 2 packages from the same source mailed at the same time, presumably in the same drop shipment |
| Cyber_Akuma | It's the magic of how usps works |
| cranky | problem is that second package had my atomic CF PETG |
| lowrizzle | i only think imperial when i'm burning down toshi station looking for droids |
| Cyber_Akuma | You're metric scum and a traitor |
| cranky | somehow, I don't think this trackign is right |
| cranky | expected delivery wednesday feb 7 by 8:00 pm |
| cranky | Departed USPS Regional Facility INDIANAPOLIS IN DISTRIBUTION CENTER ANNEX Your item departed our USPS facility in INDIANAPOLIS IN DISTRIBUTION CENTER ANNEX on February 7, 2018 at 4:22 am. The item is currently in transit to the destination. |
| cranky | how the hell does that happen, they were picked up from the same location 4 minutes apart |
| Cyber_Akuma | Amazon told me earlier todaythat my poackage MIGHT be late.... one that they already said is likely lost and I got a refund on weeks ago |
| cranky | yet one is here, the other, not so much |
| jstevewhite | one van was full |
| cranky | Cyber_Akuma: ups was fucking shit up like crazy during the holidays, I have 1500ft of bubble wrap because of it |
| jstevewhite | Amazon told me a package was going to be late ... but it was delivered yesterday, and they refudned my shipping. |
| cranky | jstevewhite: it never left indiana |
| cranky | one is here in NJ, the other package, picked up in the same load from the source, took 2 days longer to leave hte state |
| jstevewhite | van was full |
| jstevewhite | "Shitter's full" |
| cranky | "shitter was full" |
| Cyber_Akuma | Geez, slic3r hasen't been updated outside of beta builds since 2015? |
| cranky | jstevewhite: it's ok, I said it wrong for years too |
| Ameisen | jstevewhite - strange |
| jstevewhite | Ameisen ? |
| gthx | Ameisen is <Ameisen> Parentheses, Exponent, Oatmeal, Division, Addition, Subtraction |
| Ameisen | I didn't think anyone in the world still used Imperial since Britain switched. I thought that all that was left was Metric and US Customary. |
| jstevewhite | Eh |
| jstevewhite | potato potato |
| jstevewhite | tomato tomato |
| Ameisen | some of the units are different |
| Ameisen | and some of them are nonexistent |
| jstevewhite | Yep |
| Ameisen | Also, US Customary Units predate Imperial |
| Ameisen | thus it's only proper. |
| jstevewhite | *shrug* |
| lowrizzle | i use olde brittishe measurements when i hand craft my steampunk mustache twirler |
| jstevewhite | I use cheeses |
| jstevewhite | "That car weights 37 Wheels of Parmesano Reggiano" |
| cranky | anyone use the epoxy coatings? |
| cranky | are those coatings wearable? |
| cranky | like could you coat a part of a moving joint |
| RaMcHiP | YAY I got my Titan Aero in today! |
| jstevewhite | oh, bummer. |
| RaMcHiP | The stepper likes to skip steps but I think its because I just plugged it in without tuning it and I dont think I can tune it because my USB is broke and I think its done through firmware on mightyboards.. |
| RaMcHiP | I think that means its time to order my duet wifi :D |
| lowrizzle | cranky: no it is rigid |
| lowrizzle | or will crack and peel |
| PsychoHack | what was the DLP SLA chat channel? |
| PsychoHack | NM found it #dlp3dprinting |
| PsychoHack | grr, no extruding on first print attempt :) |
| PsychoHack | not enough tension |
| Cyber_Akuma | Bah, 180C print failed again, and my bed leveling is perfect this time. One last time with a just-cleaned bed, if it still fails, I am sticking with 185C |
| Cyber_Akuma | BTW, I am having a hard time telling if there was ANY difference in the strining between my 60mm, 40mm, and 20mm retraction speed prints. Is there any benefit other than stringing to hacving a lower or faster speed? |
| Cyber_Akuma | slower or faster* |
| Greg-J | Any other CR-10 owners in the house? |
| DJHenjin | should be at least 5 or 6 in here, |
| DJHenjin | but if they are active right now is a different story |
| taxilian | Greg-J I have one, but I've hacked the crap out of it |
| taxilian | so I'm not sure it counts as a CR-10 anymore =] |
| Greg-J | I love mine, for the most part, until I have to print PETG. It does not behave at 240. |
| Greg-J | As in, I have to set it to 250 to get it to 240. If I set it to 240, it'll get to 230. |
| Greg-J | I can connect to it using repeteir host (figured I'd do a tune), but the EEPROM menu is blank. |
| Greg-J | Any ideas? |
| DJHenjin | I doubt the eeprom is enabled by default |
| Greg-J | I suppose it's time to flash it. I've been avoiding this. |
| rando | Can someone recommend me a 12V 5A power supply that can be plugged into miniRAMBo? |
| nyt | anyone know a good high temp black filament that's more matte? |
| Mikeee | rando a laptop charger with a step down converter will do fine |
| Mikeee | but if your intention is to just run heaters with the 12v, you really can just run it at 18v PWM'd to whatever you need. |
| r0n0x | if i wanted to make stuff with acrylic, are there any easy DIY options? |
| r0n0x | easy and cheap* |
| Mikeee | i'd get a CNC |
| rando | Do laptop chargers have supply and ground leads that can be plugged into pin connector to connect to RAMBo? |
| r0n0x | i will buy a cnc, however, that wont be for a while yet |
| Mikeee | rando you mean power supply enable? |
| r0n0x | in the mean time could i make a CNC of sorts using my old reprap? |
| Mikeee | rando or are you asking if its an idiot-proof quick connect by default where you, for whatever reason, can't just strip the wire |
| r0n0x | reinforcing the x axis and using a dremel via flexible drive |
| Mikeee | r0n0x you could with a dremel, but most repraps aren't up to the task |
| r0n0x | why? |
| Mikeee | if its an i2 or any triangle-based design it'd likely be strong enough. i3's not so much |
| r0n0x | its i2 |
| Mikeee | they're just not stiff enough to handle the forces required |
| Mikeee | i2 10mm or 8mm |
| r0n0x | 10mm, i think |
| Mikeee | then yeah it'll certainly do it |
| Mikeee | just not fast |
| Mikeee | search thingiverse for a dremel x carriage |
| r0n0x | if its 8mm would i just need to reinforce the x carriage with a 3rd rail? |
| Mikeee | I suggest getting one of the flex extenders, so the x carriage isn't carrying all the weight |
| r0n0x | it is |
| r0n0x | i have a flexible shaft for the dremel |
| Mikeee | oh I meant the threaded rod, not the rails |
| r0n0x | well, its not a dremel, its an ozito rotary tool but nobody knows wtf a rotary tool is |
| r0n0x | ? |
| r0n0x | ah |
| Mikeee | the threaded rod needs to be atleast 10mm (which is 3/8" standard, if i recall correctly) |
| r0n0x | well i thought that they existed in either form |
| r0n0x | all 8mm or all 10mm |
| Mikeee | the original i2 designs were based on 8mm rods. Everyone went with 10mm or 12mm just because its like 10 dollars extra overall |
| r0n0x | oh, than im probs 8mm |
| Mikeee | then you may be out of luck when it comes to milling |
| Mikeee | but laser is possible, albeit a big investment |
| Cyber_Akuma | Is stringing the only reason to speed or or slow down retraction speed? |
| r0n0x | what parts will take the strain then? |
| r0n0x | if 8mm |
| rando | Mikeee I'd like to strip the wire and have one wire going into supply and another ground. I stripped some chargers where they don't have 2 leads but more of a stranded wire around a sheath of another stranded wire |
| Mikeee | rando coaxial. And thats easy to work with, you just strip it back, twist and solder so you can clamp down nicely in the board |
| r0n0x | or is it just rigidity as a whole? |
| Mikeee | or you can just buy a laptop DC jack and use it |
| r0n0x | if its bad like you think mikeee, what will happen if i say, used a very small mill bit and took multiple passes at something? |
| Mikeee | r0n0x loss of accuracy |
| Mikeee | you'd retain precision, but lose accuracy |
| r0n0x | whats the difference |
| r0n0x | like ability to do fine details? |
| Mikeee | precision is the number of discrete possible values it can be. Accuracy is how close it actually does that in the real world |
| r0n0x | ah |
| r0n0x | well no worries there |
| Mikeee | so you'd have X steps per mm, but the cutting bit will jump around a lot from the forces applied to it |
| Mikeee | so everything will have a rough, ugly edge |
| r0n0x | no problems there |
| Mikeee | i suppose thats fine, if you don't care about an object looking professional |
| r0n0x | nah |
| r0n0x | i just need reliable cuts |
| r0n0x | and holes |
| Mikeee | you can also just print a 12mm i2 |
| Mikeee | for like 40 bucks |
| r0n0x | lol |
| r0n0x | i hated building my i2 |
| Mikeee | thats likely from inexperience |
| Mikeee | now you know where everything goes and how to wire it |
| Mikeee | my first i2 took a month to print and assemble |
| Mikeee | my second one was about a week |
| r0n0x | nah it was just a cunt to do |
| Mikeee | now i can do it in about 4 hours |
| r0n0x | using galvanized threaded rods didnt help tho |
| Mikeee | galvanized just prevents rusting |
| Mikeee | it shouldn't hurt or help you |
| permafleek | has anyone seen those ohjms law coins |
| permafleek | i bought one like idk 7 years ago |
| permafleek | for $5 |
| permafleek | they slowly went up to like $15 |
| permafleek | now the mint is outta biz |
| permafleek | i lost mine along the way and quickly got one for liek $14 before theyre sold out errywhere |
| Mikeee | never saw them before today |
| Mikeee | but thats neat |
| Mikeee | imma make one |
| permafleek | do eet |
| permafleek | i want one from the mint else id just print one and do a casting |
| Mikeee | i hate casted coins |
| permafleek | how would you make one |
| permafleek | im new to casting |
| Mikeee | press a blank |
| permafleek | gotchya |
| Mikeee | i have a shop press, i can machine a negative |
| Mikeee | just gotta find a fancy material for the blank |
| Mikeee | copper is likely the best option |
| Mikeee | http://www.core77.com/posts/26633/More-on-3D-Coins-and-an-Illegal-DIY-Production-Method-The-Doming-Block |
| Mikeee | now thats interesting |
| permafleek | woah |
| permafleek | i bneed one so bad now |
| permafleek | *need |
| permafleek | https://www.amazon.com/Complete-26-Piece-Forming-Dapping-Set/dp/B00JPLHDR8/ |
| Mikeee | not a bad price |
| NowhereMan | https://www.harborfreight.com/25-piece-doming-block-and-punch-set-93539.html |
| NowhereMan | oh, and the currency defacement law? never heard of it being enforced with regards to jewelry or art |
| NowhereMan | and coins have been used for art for a long time now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo_nickel |
| Mikeee | no its 100% legal to destroy money |
| Mikeee | you just can't deface it AND then use it as currency again |
| intranick | ever see those penny molding machines that you put in like a buck and a penny and you get like.. a crushed piece of copper back with a fancy design in it? |
| r0n0x | its the cheaper heavy kind |
| lowrizzle | playing a bit with this iceSL slicer |
| lowrizzle | its kinda neat if crude |
| lowrizzle | it has 'effects' that are basically lua scripts that you can manipulate the model with |
| lowrizzle | swiss cheese, wireframe, snow on top etc |
| lowrizzle | wrong, it's illegal, and if they want to prosecute you they can |
| lowrizzle | it's illegal to deface the currency to the point that it can no longer be reissued |
| lowrizzle | whether you intend to or not |
| lowrizzle | will they? nah |
| Aro2220 | I'm trying to print TPU with my prusa mk3 but it does this weird thing where the filament comes out the side and stops extruding |
| Aro2220 | I'm not sure how to explain it |
| lowrizzle | it goes out the side of the extruder? |
| Aro2220 | It seems to slip off the extruder gear or something...doesn't do this with PLA |
| Aro2220 | yes |
| lowrizzle | yea, it's compressable |
| lowrizzle | pla isn't |
| lowrizzle | you need something in the path to stop it from compressing |
| Aro2220 | yeah...what can I do? |
| lowrizzle | there are probably already mk3 mods |
| Aro2220 | something in the path?? |
| lowrizzle | yea, something that constrains the filament path |
| Aro2220 | hmm |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/2N3XCji4QAMDiUUD3 |
| lowrizzle | see the green bit there |
| lowrizzle | if i did not have it, the blue tpu would come out right there |
| Aro2220 | Right... |
| lowrizzle | that is tpu fwiw, just on a super cheapo printer |
| Aro2220 | that's exactly what is happening to me |
| lowrizzle | https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/7b5jtp/flexible_materials_in_prusa_i3_mk2_or_mk3_mmu/ |
| Aro2220 | thanks again |
| lowrizzle | no problem |
| lowrizzle | also, you need to slow down and turn off all retraction if you haven't already |
| lowrizzle | if you print at 60mm/s try 20 then 30, and always turn off retraction |
| lowrizzle | up your multiplier as well, to counter how it compresses in the path |
| lowrizzle | i've been lasering a dickbutt into a huge chunk of stainless steel for the last 2 hours and the edge is curling up due to the heat buildup |
| lowrizzle | kinda neat |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/0rJd6YQ46wRSyoFj2 |
| lowrizzle | aluminum fails to leave a mark no matter what speeds and power i use =\ |
| lowrizzle | it looks like it does, but the cermark washes right off the the dickbutt right after it |
| Aro2220 | in that case i'm glad you had the time to help me with my problem as i see you are quite busy with important tasks xD |
| lowrizzle | hah |
| Greg-J | It would be great if the Cura team would just fix the bugs in the beta before adding new bugs. |
| DJHenjin | i've been reporting bugs to them, hopefully they fix them soon |
| Aro2220 | lowrizzle well i figured out how to turn off retraction and i also turned off all my speed settings to really really low...never faster than 15mm/s |
| Cyber_Akuma | Unbelievable, the SAME PIECE keeps coming off again now that I am trying a lower nozzle temp, what the hell |
| Aro2220 | I think the latter was a little over the top and unnecessary...the retraction was probably what was doing it... |
| Aro2220 | so far it seems to be working okay but we'll see in the morning. |
| Aro2220 | Btw, the TPU seems to leak a bit when it's doing the calibration bed test right before a print |
| Aro2220 | each of the 9 points it dips down to test leave a tiny dot of TPU |
| Aro2220 | any idea why this is happening? |
| Aro2220 | I have temperature set to something like 227f...i think maybe 233 or something for first layer |
| lowrizzle | Aro2220: i print tpu at 210, but tpu is highly variable in formulation |
| lowrizzle | i have only printed in blue |
| lowrizzle | and one brand |
| lowrizzle | but it does that, tpu strings like crazy |
| Aro2220 | Yeah it does seem to string a lot but I read it does that so I wasn't worried |
| lowrizzle | if your model has a lot of moves, look for a 'dont cross perimeter' setting in your slicer |
| Aro2220 | Maybe the temp is a bit too high |
| lowrizzle | it will keep boogers off your perimeters |
| Aro2220 | I think I saw something like that. I'm using the prusa slic3r version |
| Aro2220 | but I'm not going to set it tonight |
| lowrizzle | otherwise the toolhead moves across perimeters and will leave strings |
| Aro2220 | Will just let it do this slowly...see if it works...then try again with faster/different settings etc |
| lowrizzle | yea that's how i did it |
| Aro2220 | Yeah that does seem to be a problem |
| lowrizzle | i took it bit by bit |
| Aro2220 | the filament bunching out of the extruder was the main problem |
| Aro2220 | stringing is small in comparison so I will worry about that second lol |
| lowrizzle | at this point i just make fingers out of tpu, i have made 100 dog food lids and ran out of things to make |
| Aro2220 | admittedly, this stringing might cause problems with the print by making the layers not even |
| Aro2220 | but whatever |
| Aro2220 | fingers? |
| Aro2220 | I'm trying to make a cell phone case atm |
| Aro2220 | would like to make little feet for my mk3 |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/gfZYZiXVXjjFmVRy2 |
| lowrizzle | well i guess fingers and thumbs |
| lowrizzle | a thumb is not a finger |
| Aro2220 | lol |
| Aro2220 | one thing i noticed about tpu... |
| Aro2220 | seems to work on touch screens |
| lowrizzle | the fewer perimeters and the less infill you can use the more it flexes btw |
| Aro2220 | like if my finger is behind it i mean |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z2vrsOgKQm6NP1Lb2 |
| Aro2220 | maybe that's if it's thin enough |
| lowrizzle | do like, 2 perimeters and no more than 5% infill |
| Aro2220 | lol |
| lowrizzle | i print models kinda based on those contraints |
| lowrizzle | otherwise it won't really flex |
| Aro2220 | I'm trying 100% infill here |
| lowrizzle | it'll be too rigid |
| Aro2220 | it's for a phone case though |
| Aro2220 | i dont want too much flex |
| Aro2220 | just want some kind of impact resistance |
| lowrizzle | well if it's thin it'll flex |
| Aro2220 | we'll see |
| lowrizzle | if it's thick, like .75mm or more, it gets rigid |
| lowrizzle | no |
| lowrizzle | .8 is what i do walls at |
| lowrizzle | 1.2 it gets rigid for me |
| Aro2220 | it will be fun to play with |
| lowrizzle | yea |
| lowrizzle | i just wish i knew what to make with it |
| Aro2220 | i am still waiting for my order of PETG or whatever it's called |
| Aro2220 | I think I ordered it from China somehow |
| Aro2220 | so it's going to tak ea while lol |
| lowrizzle | i've printed about 10-12 spools of petg, it's one of my fav plastics |
| Aro2220 | Things to print with TPU to me seem to be stuff like bumpers for your RC cars or something |
| Aro2220 | yeah I've heard good things...although been told it binds too strongly to the surface I have |
| lowrizzle | if you have a build surface it will |
| Aro2220 | so I need to put down glue stick or talcum powder or something...I'll cross that bridge when I get there |
| lowrizzle | yes |
| lowrizzle | i was going to say you can mitigate that with glue layer |
| Aro2220 | other than that, the properties of PETG sound fantastic |
| lowrizzle | same with tpu |
| lowrizzle | petg really really likes blue tape as well |
| Aro2220 | well so far TPU has peeled off...the thin layer i've made before the extruder bunching problem |
| Aro2220 | i just get a knife and peel up a tiny bit so i can grip it |
| Aro2220 | and then the whole thing comes off easy |
| lowrizzle | yea, that's the way, slowly so it doesn't tear |
| Aro2220 | it'll be fun to play around with some more |
| Aro2220 | being able to print with a few different types of 3d materials is really cool |
| Aro2220 | just wish i had some advanced printer that could print with 2 types...one soluble...without having issues |
| Aro2220 | so i could print all my supports in some water soluble stuff |
| lowrizzle | it is, i've printed a lot of vases in petg and left them at work with candy in them or something |
| Aro2220 | that would be amazing |
| lowrizzle | then explained it's basically modified water bottle material laid down line by line |
| lowrizzle | it's at least a conversation starter |
| lowrizzle | i will suggest avoiding abs |
| Aro2220 | yeah i've heard enough about it |
| lowrizzle | if it were 2014 i'd say only use abs |
| Aro2220 | it melts in acetone so you can like put a bath of it in an enclosed area and smooth it out |
| lowrizzle | lol |
| Aro2220 | good for models |
| Aro2220 | other than that...it's toxic and bad and bed adherance is an issue blah blah blah blah blah |
| Aro2220 | so it's not really on my list |
| Aro2220 | PLA, TPU and PETG |
| Aro2220 | not sure if there's anything else worth looking at for me...atm... |
| lowrizzle | it has interesting properties but is a point of diminished returns |
| Aro2220 | other than different brands of TPU that have different properties etc |
| lowrizzle | those are enough to learn for sure |
| lowrizzle | transluscent versus opaque petg for example print differently |
| Aro2220 | that's interesting |
| Aro2220 | really at this point i need to learn autodesk fusion 360 more than i need more material types |
| Aro2220 | so i can custom make things i want |
| Aro2220 | that's when this 3d printing will really become a useful tool for me |
| lowrizzle | being able to make things out of your mind is the rosetta stone to the solid world around you |
| Aro2220 | little by little |
| Aro2220 | anyways have a good night ;-) |
| lowrizzle | even if its just a dickbutt |
| lowrizzle | good nigt |
| Aro2220 | lol |
| lowrizzle | infSL, some random french slicer, attempt #1 is wtf |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/AyhQrWiZDk4oMl532 |
| lowrizzle | indiana jones wouldn't want those artifacts |
| jammi | http://www.vartaleaks.com/gallery-images/DOljW2UWAAAOJAN.jpg |
| jammi | more here http://www.vartaleaks.com |
| bastard | guten morgen! |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/66U5bqNhNHjl3Vyj1 |
| lowrizzle | success |
| Nebukadneza | wubwub |
| Nebukadneza | lowrizzle: french slicer wtf |
| nyt | crunch you here? |
| DJHenjin | hey neb, hey yt |
| DJHenjin | nyt* |
| nyt | hi |
| DJHenjin | what's up tonight? |
| nyt | not much |
| nyt | pickin out some new filaments to try |
| nyt | just ordered some cf petg from crunch |
| nyt | and gonna grab a spool of asa from somewhere |
| nyt | asa? |
| gthx | asa is Acrylic-Styrene-Acrylonitrile, a UV stable version of ABS and is found at http://diamondage.co.nz/product/asa/ and is also at http://www.3dxtech.com/asa-filament/ , http://dr3dfilament.com/asa/ , https://rigid.ink/products/asa-1-75-mm-0-03-mm-tolerance-filament , http://www.dutchfilaments.com/asa-x-filament/ |
| jammi | can't wait for some plastic to be abbreviated ass |
| jammi | "smells like ass here" |
| nyt | no black asa on amazon annoying |
| reprapper | filafarm? |
| gthx | filafarm is an Onlinestore for 3D printer and equipment. More information @ www.filafarm.com |
| nyt | will try this 2dxmax |
| reprapper | switch? |
| gthx | switch is a brand new and open switch-system for print beds for 3d printer with fused deposit molding technology. More information @ https://www.filafarm.de/collections/druckbetten/products/switch |
| reprapper | botsnack! |
| gthx | YUMYUMYUMYUM YUM. Delicioso! |
| nopcode | hey |
| nopcode | trying to print something like a sphere with supports, sitting with the south pole on the bed |
| nopcode | slic3r produces supports with a large distance to the sphere leaving only the single contact point which makes it break off during print |
| nopcode | i've tried reducing xy-part-distance and it seemed still not to work |
| nopcode | any ideas? |
| nopcode | so it basically makes a "cup" shape around the sphere but its like 0.5-1 mm away which doesnt support it at all |
| jammi | redesign your model to make it easier to print |
| nopcode | jammi: probably the right answer, still want to understand the issue |
| nopcode | i think s3d managed |
| nopcode | though i had xy-distance set to 0 there which made it super difficult to remove supports |
| nyt | whats the strength of asa like compared to pla |
| nyt | looks similar to abs, meh |
| nopcode | also whats the best tool to cut meshes for multi-part printing and adding holes for bolts? would that be meshmixer? |
| nopcode | is there something that lets you place like a dozen cut planes or so and automatically evaluate printability without supports of the individual resulting parts? |
| nopcode | with different subsets of the cut planes |
| icecube45 | seen crunch* |
| gthx | crunch was last seen in #reprap 1 day, 15 hours, 5 minutes, 30 seconds ago saying 'pearl blue is bacl'. |
| gthx | crunch_ was last seen in #dlp3dprinting 42 days, 17 minutes, 53 seconds ago saying 'did u buy 3?'. |
| gthx | crunchbutbetter was last seen in #reprap 332 days, 11 hours, 38 minutes, 6 seconds ago saying 'eyyyyyy'. |
| icecube45 | oop |
| s1car1us | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MNdVTP1U/Screenshot%20(99).png |
| s1car1us | why the noise? |
| rapidshot64 | anyone tried using resistor to test thermistor line in mainboard? |
| nyt | holy fuck this pcmax is strong |
| nyt | im impressed |
| Loetmichel | ACTION just had to measure the inner pin of a hollow dc plug... so i raped a digital caliper. Good thing that they cost only 10 eur ... if i had done that with the 250DM mitutoyo in my first apprenticeship my master would have hit me in the face repeatedly... and with good reason... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16971&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| Cyber_Akuma | That looks exactly like the one I have |
| Nebukadneza | whats wrong with it? |
| Mangy_Dog | morining |
| mozzarella | should I get 304 stainless steel screws or 12.9 grade alloy steel screws |
| bpye | I do wish the P3Steel had a better 3 point mounting system |
| dieck | sloth: erm. Yes. Yes, there could be. And actually, there is. |
| Cyber_Akuma | Anyone here every heard of 3D Solutech brand filament? It seems to have a ridicously high recommended temp (190-220) for their PLA... makes me wonder just what's wrong with it |
| XXCoder | 190-220 is only 10c higher than max I have heard of so far of 210c. |
| bpye | I've printed that hot with PLA before |
| Cyber_Akuma | Doesn't PLA normally start out at 170C? |
| torin | For me it's 230 every day. e3d... |
| torin | Can't print it with lower temps. |
| bpye | How many revisions do people designing printer parts go through. Just modifying a part for my printer I ended up printing 2 or most things and 5 of one part to get it right |
| Cyber_Akuma | Hmm.... so far out of seeing all the falament brands on Amazon, the only one that seems that I should stay away from is Tianse, all the others are unclear, other than Hatchbox and eSun being decent, but that's well known. |
| bpye | Cyber_Akuma: Are you in the EU or US? |
| Cyber_Akuma | US |
| Cyber_Akuma | 3D Solutech, Melca, Dazzle, 3DRAX, 3D Mars..... can't seem to find decent information for most other brands if they are decent or not |
| Cyber_Akuma | I wanted to pick a brand or two for "cheap filament for non-important stuff" |
| bpye | atomic? |
| gthx | atomic is atomic filament ( good stuff ) http://www.atomicfilament.com and is made by crunch ... REPRAP12 coupon for 12% off orders of 2 or more 1KG rolls (may only be used once per customer), no 3.5kg rolls or clearance items allowed for coupon use, please respect that, orders with 3.5kg or clearance items will be cancelled. |
| Cyber_Akuma | That's good filament from weverythiong I have heard |
| bpye | I've been told here that that is good but you have probably already seen |
| Cyber_Akuma | I woulden't waste atomic on just the tests and nonsense I would want to print with the cheak stuff |
| Cyber_Akuma | cheap* |
| bpye | I have only tried 3dPrima's PLA but that's an EU brand |
| dieck | I'd say most "brands" are made up names from CN resellers. Trust the ones you know where they come from, like crunch, and be aware of others. They might work good once you figured the temperature out, but a second roll might not reproduce the same way |
| Cyber_Akuma | what about some of the really common ones like Hatcnbox or eSun? |
| dieck | that said, I used a look of "noname" brands before, and most of them worked out reasonable well |
| dieck | except one or two |
| Cyber_Akuma | ... there is also FoxSmart, but they only sell that on their official store |
| bpye | I guess PLA is more forgiving of worse filaments? |
| Cyber_Akuma | I tried it, onyl one I had issue with was their gold PLA, others seem to like it |
| Cyber_Akuma | possibly |
| Cyber_Akuma | Oh yeah, apparently 3D Solutech claims to be from the US but according to reviews their site is in Engrish... |
| Cyber_Akuma | https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dXNr9MAaL._SL1000_.jpg <---- Huh, these "Dazzle Light 3D" guys must make some special stuff, I never heard of the color "Greeen" before... |
| dieck | if that is 1.78mm, the roll is quite small, what is that 250g? |
| XXCoder | its green, only more so |
| cranky | nothing better than having a box full of parts arrive after waiting a week to find out you ordered momentary switches |
| cranky | good thing I ordered other switches too just to see how they were |
| cranky | Switch Function Off-Mom |
| bpye | Wow, E3Ds 30mm fan is stupidly loud |
| cranky | yeahhhhh I guess I missed that :( |
| bpye | I've switched the the MK3 carriage design with it's 40mm fan, so much quieter |
| jammi | the 30mm fan thing and v6 heatsink are basically obsolete |
| jammi | basically something to look back at as ≈2015-2018 era vintage 3d printer setups |
| Nebukadneza | v6 heatsink is obsoleted? |
| jammi | pretty much, especially in direct setups |
| jammi | titan aero is the way to go if you can or already use a titan extruder |
| jammi | and mk8-style stuff is still fine for direct extruders, and titan aero is similar to them as well |
| jammi | and they're available in clone form as well, as much as the other e3d stuff |
| Nebukadneza | titan aero is pretty much direct-only too, right? |
| jammi | sure |
| jammi | and sure there are some delta printers and such niches where direct extruders aren't feasible |
| jammi | however, there are better hotends for those as well |
| Nebukadneza | mh |
| Nebukadneza | i just recently installed a genuine v6 on my bowden-cr-10 |
| Nebukadneza | since the frame can’t support it i can’t run at super-high speeds |
| Nebukadneza | so … is there a tremendous advantage to $some_new (which e.g.?) hotend for me still? |
| Nebukadneza | i always wanted to try that b-something pico clone, but … not sure if it’s worth the hassle |
| jammi | I used one for a while |
| jammi | it's not bad, and it's very small and pretty light |
| jammi | however, at least in my case you want to keep the filament in it moving if you use it without a fan |
| jammi | otherwise there'll be enough heat creep to cause a jam |
| Nebukadneza | without a heatsink-fan? |
| jammi | yes |
| Nebukadneza | hu … i wasn’t aware that’s even possible |
| jammi | not an issue as long as you print, but I'd suggest adding gcode at the end of the print to pull out the filament from the hotend once printing is done |
| jammi | it'll easily jam in there otherwise |
| jammi | during printing, it's not a big issue unless you're printing very slowly |
| jammi | since there's some relative air movement as long as the hotend is moving and as long as you keep extruding there's not enough time for the heat to melt the filament too far up either |
| jammi | what I like most about it is the all in one formfactor |
| Nebukadneza | mh ack |
| Nebukadneza | i’m always very nervous about changing the nozzle … |
| jammi | but it's kinda pointless when coupled with a titan aero; a volcano is a much better deal with those |
| jammi | and only slightly heavier and bigger |
| jammi | but not as tall |
| jammi | the nozzle change has had some thought on the b3 pico; it has machined in slots for a 13mm wrench to hold it while you fasten or remove the nozzle |
| jammi | but I like the volcano-style nozzles better |
| jammi | although you could maybe modify a pico for those |
| jammi | if you have some good drilling and tapping setup somewhere to get stuff absolutely centered (a lathe, basically) |
| Nebukadneza | yeah, that takes away the stress from holding the heaterblock and being in anguish about breaking the heatbreak-thin-part off |
| XXCoder | funny for the day. sweat and snot. http://www.disneyfashionista.com/disney-discovery-mickey-or-minnie-mouse-shower-head/ |
| jammi | I don't understand what's funny about that |
| XXCoder | pity. |
| DJHenjin | in some ways I envy you, in others I pity you |
| Cyber_Akuma | Dammit, I'm almost certain this print is going to run out of filament :( |
| jammi | just be on the location when it's about to run out and feed in more at the point it's pulling in the last bit |
| Cyber_Akuma | I don't have more of the same filament |
| Cyber_Akuma | also I was about to go to sleep, I am tired as hell :( |
| jammi | it's not even likely to produce any visible artifacts if the filament you switch in is the same color |
| jammi | and both ends are clean cut |
| jammi | well, feed in some other color and let it blend it |
| jammi | and you can arrange the switch so that you just cut the old one when you have the new one ready |
| Cyber_Akuma | I am likely going to be asleep if it runs out |
| jammi | hence just cut the old one before it runs out |
| Cyber_Akuma | cut? |
| gthx | cut is http://imgur.com/8Gagrj4 |
| RaMcHiP | So I got a titan aero and installed it. I got it heating up fine and everything looks great but when I go to extrude the motor seizes. I am on a mightyboard so I am thinking I need to set current maybe? |
| Cyber_Akuma | pretty sure that's not it |
| jammi | Cyber_Akuma: take some sharp pliers or even scissors and cut. |
| Nebukadneza | gthx, watt? |
| Cyber_Akuma | I have no idea if the new filament will even work at the same settings as my current one |
| jammi | RaMcHiP: higher vref or loosen the tensioner a little |
| Cyber_Akuma | The only one I really have to spare is gold |
| Cyber_Akuma | and I am currently printing in blue |
| RaMcHiP | jammi. How do I set Vref I see it in gcode but I think there is a pot on my drivers that needs help too |
| jammi | Cyber_Akuma: if it's the same type and same brand, it likely will work somewhat similarly |
| Cyber_Akuma | Plus this gold as left in it's bag with that moisture-sucking packet, the blue has been left out for ayeah |
| Cyber_Akuma | they are the same brand |
| jammi | vref? |
| gthx | vref is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96201881/pot%20001.JPG and is important as incorrect tuning will distort the wave form as can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickstarno/5727264287/in/photolist-9Jbb1W-9Jaif1-9J7skK-9J9VAq-9J6RyT-9J6RB6-9J6Jb2-9J6J8Z/ see "pot tuning" for more info |
| jammi | RaMcHiP: ^ |
| RaMcHiP | THANKS! |
| jammi | actually link rot in there |
| RaMcHiP | Yeah I just got some |
| RaMcHiP | hehe |
| RaMcHiP | its all over me now LOL |
| jammi | but yeah, just google it for your setup |
| RaMcHiP | now that I know that is what I am looking for I will check it out |
| RaMcHiP | I almost want to say this is futile since I am going to duetwifi anyway but I am going to learn something here :D |
| Cyber_Akuma | geez |
| Cyber_Akuma | I am compeltely out of black filament it seems |
| jammi | Cyber_Akuma: well, either proceed to rescue the print like that or just cancel it right away |
| Cyber_Akuma | Great, broke the filament on the spool in half now |
| kraegar | a couple small cuts, and the first side panel set is done. https://imgur.com/Qkcuqmx |
| kraegar | some cleanup to do on the parts, those are right off the mill. |
| Cyber_Akuma | Sigh, didn't think I would have to print MORE of these damn risers |
| Cyber_Akuma | pretty much wasted the entire damn roll trying to figure out how to print it right |
| durrf | yup |
| durrf | thats the way it goes sometimes :( |
| Cyber_Akuma | It's NORMAL to waste an entire roll trying to figure out how to use it? |
| Cyber_Akuma | I mean, what's the benefit after you have wasted it? |
| Cyber_Akuma | You are going to have to repeat the process on another roll |
| durrf2 | you got all that experience |
| Cyber_Akuma | Not really... |
| durrf2 | if you dont like things that are difficult printing is gonna be rough |
| Cyber_Akuma | ACTION went to check on the test print to make sure this new filament is printing the same |
| durrf2 | its so frustrating that sometimes i niglect things for weeks |
| Cyber_Akuma | "awww dammit, nothing is extruding" |
| Cyber_Akuma | "no wait..... it's just the same color as my bed" |
| Cyber_Akuma | This could be a problem >.< |
| durrf2 | haha yes, i print a lot with translucent filament |
| durrf2 | its frustrating at times :P |
| Cyber_Akuma | Nah |
| Cyber_Akuma | It's "gold" filament |
| Cyber_Akuma | But it's more a pale yellow than gold |
| Cyber_Akuma | (It's also mislabeled as "Glod") |
| Cyber_Akuma | Know what else is a pale yellow? |
| Cyber_Akuma | PEI >.< |
| durrf2 | yeah theres the same issue with translucent filament |
| Cyber_Akuma | Course, the print just started, still remains to be seen if this sample print... that killed my filament all the other times.... will finish |
| Cyber_Akuma | and if it won't string to shit |
| durrf2 | its just stringyness thats the issue? |
| durrf2 | theres small prints you can use to test settings instead of using a real print |
| Cyber_Akuma | adhesion was also an issue, but I think it was bad leveling |
| Cyber_Akuma | Well, the real print wasn't much |
| Cyber_Akuma | I figured it's extra parts that way |
| Cyber_Akuma | https://i.imgur.com/TuXTzg5.jpg |
| Cyber_Akuma | Also considering I am going to be replacing like half of my printer's parts soon, I haven'yt learned much >.< |
| Cyber_Akuma | Though hopefully those better parts will make this a bit less of a bitch |
| Cyber_Akuma | BTW, I wanted to get people's opinoins |
| Cyber_Akuma | what materials/brand do you print in? |
| durrf2 | i opt for whatevers cheapest on amazon because im cheap and it genreally works out for me |
| durrf2 | i recently got some 14 dollar kilograms of MG chemichals PLA |
| jammi | I usually go with categorically next to cheapest in all things unless it turns out I need soemthing of higher standards and at that point, it's often getting the "buy it for life" thing |
| durrf2 | funny enough the only filament htat has given me issues was the most expensive stuff i bought |
| jammi | I haven't really found anything in common with the filaments that have caused me issues |
| Loetmichel | ACTION is just maxin out his Anet A8... Einstein bust in less than 5mm smaller than the print volume in any direction... (220mm^3).. hope that works and i dont come back to a mess or the smoldering remains of the company tomorrow (16 hours estimated print time): http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16974 |
| jammi | some of the cheapest ones have produced the nicest prints, and some of the more expensive ones have been horrible |
| jammi | but also vice versa |
| Cyber_Akuma | So far, at least it's printing ok |
| jammi | but TiO super opaque bright white seems to be a common thing to not be reliably extruding |
| Cyber_Akuma | now remains to be seen if the stringing will be the same |
| Cyber_Akuma | I also suspect that maybe the filamemnmt took in moisture which is why it was so stringy |
| Nebukadneza | Loetmichel: you leave the spools out in the open? |
| jammi | or maybe TiO2 |
| Loetmichel | Nebukadneza: yes |
| Cyber_Akuma | It was left out in the open since like late 2015 or so |
| Loetmichel | close to a year now, couldnt detect any deterioation |
| Nebukadneza | Loetmichel: no problems with humidity? |
| Loetmichel | maybe the company is pretty dry :-) |
| Cyber_Akuma | not sure what to do with this current spool now |
| Cyber_Akuma | since it broke in half as I was trying to re-wind it |
| Nebukadneza | either you’re not very picky, or your company’s very dry :-) |
| Cyber_Akuma | ~How dry I am. How dry I am. Nobody Knows....~ |
| jammi | I'm so dry I piss powder |
| Cyber_Akuma | You are a SLS printer? |
| dys | ^^ |
| XXCoder | i'm so dry my penis suck in water if I try to pee |
| durrf2 | ugh i gotta start working |
| durrf2 | fml |
| intranick | 322/((2+3*4)-14) = |
| Cyber_Akuma | 4 |
| jammi | infinity |
| Cyber_Akuma | I just used random_number |
| Cyber_Akuma | Stupid Sony apps |
| Cyber_Akuma | No stringing.... which means it's likely the stringing was due to moisture in that roll |
| Cyber_Akuma | the one I just wasted attempting to figure out how to print with it without stringing |
| Cyber_Akuma | LOVELY |
| RaMcHiP_ | Hello! |
| gthx | Hello is hi and welcome to the den of 3d printing nutjobs ;) |
| RaMcHiP_ | nutjobs? |
| RaMcHiP_ | we need one for nutjobs.... |
| RaMcHiP_ | LOL |
| Mangy_Dog | you would never find a more reched hive of scum and villanary |
| RaMcHiP_ | GUNS! LOL |
| Cyber_Akuma | Hmmm...... just for the hell of it, despite it being a total waste, I kinda want to print that rocket raccoon figure to see if it will actually print recognizably or all details will be a blob like when I tried to print Cloud.... wonder if I can find a filament that matches his color |
| RaMcHiP_ | Well I think you hit it dead on, I just needed to loosen the tension on the arm and its now feeding without skipping steps! |
| RaMcHiP_ | OK now to see if I can just adjust the steps per MM in S3D and hope that it will adjust through GCODE! :D |
| jammi | https://vimeo.com/254731063 |
| RaMcHiP_ | HOLY CRAP!!! It WORKED!!! |
| RaMcHiP_ | I guess I dont need USB on this mobo!!! |
| thews | RaMcHiP, adjust steps per mm in your firmware |
| RaMcHiP_ | I cant edit the firmware |
| RaMcHiP_ | :/ |
| RaMcHiP_ | I have no USB on the board |
| RaMcHiP_ | I was about to edit in S3D firmware settings but as far as writing it to the board directly, no bueno |
| thews | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01600-6 |
| thews | RaMcHiP_, make a gcode file that runs it, put it on the sd card |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think that is what S3D automatically |
| thews | no |
| thews | s3d doesn't do that |
| thews | unless they added something new |
| RaMcHiP_ | Well the steps per MM adjusted the second I changed my firmware settings in S3D |
| RaMcHiP_ | it wasnt extruding anything really then I adjusted and it worked amazing |
| thews | thought you didn't have usb? |
| thews | did you adjust extrusion multiplier or steps per mm? |
| RaMcHiP_ | steps per MM |
| RaMcHiP_ | I dont have USB |
| RaMcHiP_ | I set it in the firmware x3g firmware settings in S3D |
| thews | where's the settings for that at in s3d? |
| RaMcHiP_ | Tools > Firmware Config > X3G Tab |
| RaMcHiP_ | it is only there for mightyboards |
| RaMcHiP_ | If you select a makerbot flavor |
| RaMcHiP_ | Man thank god I had one of my original thermocouples! This came with a Pt100 and I needed the type K |
| RaMcHiP_ | Never throw things away. This is why :) |
| thews | never messed with x3g |
| thews | does it not do normal gcode at all? |
| Brandano | RaMcHiP_: the true reprapper would have twisted some wire off a twist tie and a solid core cat5 cable and built up a new table for it |
| RaMcHiP_ | Brandano, I am working on becoming a true reprapper! A TRUE reprapper wouldnt be using a friggin mightyboard... |
| Brandano | all the while whistling the McGuiver theme |
| RaMcHiP_ | I have much to learn :) |
| RaMcHiP_ | But I am tenacious.. |
| jammi | throw broken things away, but disassemble them first |
| jammi | Brandano: is McGuiver some cheap chinese knockoff of MacGyver? |
| Brandano | Actually, building a 3D printer allowed me to get rid of a lot of junk |
| thews | Brandano, show me de wae |
| thews | I collected more printers and lots more parts |
| RaMcHiP_ | jammi, HA! |
| Brandano | I can toss prints away, no biggie. Can always print a new one |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think I am heavily over extruding |
| RaMcHiP_ | is there a GCODE that I can do that will just extrude 100mm? |
| Brandano | I just colletcted tons of junk for some future project where it would be useful |
| RaMcHiP_ | through S3D |
| thews | G1 E100 F1000 |
| RaMcHiP_ | OooOo TY |
| jammi | like, disassemble broken things until you have usable working things and sort out the broken-broken things |
| Brandano | now I can go "nah, I can print it when the time comes" and let it go to its natural resting place in a landfill |
| RaMcHiP_ | I guess learning GCode must be my next undertaking huh? |
| thews | might first need to run G92 E0 |
| thews | G92? |
| gthx | G92 is Set Position: http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#G92:_Set_Position and is also http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g92 for linuxcnc, grbl and smoothieware |
| thews | RaMcHiP_, I'm not even sure if just normal gcode works with your board |
| thews | which means I can't help much |
| RaMcHiP_ | It doesnt, I need to load code then convert to X3G... |
| thews | that's unfortunate |
| Brandano | RaMcHiP_: can you change the board's firmware? |
| RaMcHiP_ | whats a decent cheap board that can run 24v |
| thews | I think they can all run 24v |
| RaMcHiP_ | Brandano, I wish, my USB is broke :( |
| RaMcHiP_ | I am thinking about ordering a $30 ramps from china LOL |
| Brandano | convert it to a Klipper slave |
| RaMcHiP_ | I should just get some good electronics but I dont have 230 right now for the duetwifi LOL |
| thews | I wished the duet boards were slightly cheaper |
| thews | did I miss a black friday sale? |
| RaMcHiP_ | I have totally revamped this printer and its almost back from the dead |
| Brandano | RaMcHiP_: do you have another microcontroller you can use as an ISP programmer? |
| RaMcHiP_ | I THINK I do but I am escared of doing that LOL |
| RaMcHiP_ | I want another board in hand before I attempt that crazyness |
| Brandano | hmm, you'd still need a serial connection to it for a klipper slave, though |
| RaMcHiP_ | Man this thing is doing remarkably well for a $50 titan aero setup LOL |
| RaMcHiP_ | chinese cheapo |
| RaMcHiP_ | This whole printer is chinese cheapo except the IGUS bearings LOL |
| jammi | RaMcHiP_: yeah, they're really high quality knockoffs nowadays |
| Brandano | but even if the USB port is bust you should be able to wire up half an extension cable directly to solder points on the controller board |
| jammi | unlike the baseline stuff maybe 5 years ago |
| RaMcHiP_ | Brandano I have heard that but I am not sure how to do it |
| RaMcHiP_ | isnt it GPIO? |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think I even have the serial to USB converter |
| Brandano | if the data pins are on the gpio you can probably make an adapter |
| RaMcHiP_ | I have 2 or 3 of them one is a barrel plug like headphones and the other 2 are just jumper wires |
| Brandano | Ah, you can use an FTDI adapter and tap into the serial port on the GPIO pins |
| RaMcHiP_ | Id LOVE to get octoprint back on this |
| RaMcHiP_ | I will order new electronics and then do that after they have arrive just to gain the knowledge |
| jammi | I think one reason for the higher quality stuff nowadays may be becaues the sellers don't want anything but 5/5 stars in their ratings, so they self-filter the crappiest stuff away |
| jammi | wehreas a few years ago they didn't care much about reputation stuff |
| Brandano | jammi: probably the difference in cost is not enough to justify the reputation risk |
| jammi | rather, they even care about the concept of customership; selling something to the same customer again |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think 837 steps per MM is super high and I am over extruding |
| Brandano | nah, geared extruder? |
| RaMcHiP_ | Now i need to figure out how to calc the steps per MM on this chinese knockoff |
| jammi | a new thing I've seen is they start including printed brochures and business cards with their stuff now |
| RaMcHiP_ | Yeah its a titan knockoff |
| RaMcHiP_ | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Titan-Aero-Prusa-i3-MK2-extruder-carriage-auto-leveling-kit-0-4mm-1-75mm-Titan-Aero/32849854757.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.L00yf0 |
| RaMcHiP_ | That guy |
| jammi | RaMcHiP_: I have one as well and I'm super happy with it |
| RaMcHiP_ | what are your steps per MM on it? |
| jammi | possibly not exactly that one, but anyway |
| Brandano | what's the gearing ratio on the titan? |
| jammi | got the titan clone before there were aeros around, and got the heatsink separately |
| jammi | Brandano: 3:1 iirc |
| RaMcHiP_ | jammi what is your steps per MM the titans should be exactly the same regardless of aero or not |
| Brandano | so it's 200*3*16 steps for a revolution, if it's a 1.8° stepper at 16x microstepping |
| jammi | RaMcHiP_: 480steps/mm iirc |
| jammi | or somewhere thereabout |
| jammi | the exact value is what what you do with a binary search when calibrating it |
| RaMcHiP_ | TY that sounds better just looking |
| jammi | and it even varies a step or two per filament thickness variation |
| jammi | basically make a mark at as exactly 120mm from the filament inlet as you can, then extrude 100mm and measure the difference, tune and repeat until you get it spot on |
| bpye | Gah, left the brim enabled |
| bpye | Is thingiverse still the best place to upload designs or has anything better appeared? |
| Brandano | when it's so far off I disconnect the hotend and disable cold extrusion prevention for testing |
| RaMcHiP_ | jammi it makes it hard since I cant just tell it to extrude said amount without the USB so I gotta get rough values then adjust my %'s |
| Brandano | no LCD panel? |
| jammi | RaMcHiP_: sure you can even if you do it from sd |
| jammi | just have a gcode file with it |
| Brandano | make two gcode files, one to extrude and one to retract |
| Brandano | both set for 100mm and turning off cold extrude prevention |
| RaMcHiP_ | uhmmmm 480 seems to have done well! |
| RaMcHiP_ | OMG well! |
| Brandano | an useful thing to have would be a clear tube with two marks 100mm apart |
| RaMcHiP_ | Gunna let this print and see how it goes this already looks infinitely better |
| Brandano | like, a bic pen body |
| RaMcHiP_ | OMG first layer porn! Like glass! |
| RaMcHiP_ | That lightened up my gantry sooooo much too |
| RaMcHiP_ | Got rid of so much metal on my gantry |
| jammi | yeah, same |
| RaMcHiP_ | Smaller lighter stepper, now i have a v6 hotend on my printer I could technically do volcano but I see no reason to do so |
| jammi | also made the thing quieter, since the 40mm heatsink fan doesn't have to be nearly at full speed |
| jammi | more like minium speed it turns at |
| RaMcHiP_ | dude jammi thanks for your help man youve set my right 3x this morning!!! |
| RaMcHiP_ | I cant control fan speed so mine just hauls ass LOL |
| jammi | I use the onboard mosfets on ramps for fans |
| jammi | case fan, part cooling fan and heatsink fan, all driven by marlin in pwm |
| RaMcHiP_ | I am thinking about doing a RAMPS conversion. Cheap and easy and I think my current lcd/buttons would work on ramps |
| RaMcHiP_ | So I dont have to mod my case or anything. |
| jammi | bed and hotend are driven with external modules just from some of the servo pins |
| jammi | even the super cheap bundles nowadays seem to have most of the known ramps issues fixed |
| RaMcHiP_ | Sweet |
| jammi | but I don't trust it to switch any serious current |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think ill take the dive and just order one |
| RaMcHiP_ | it cant hurt! I can use it for anything right? Like DSLR control or time lapse slider and all that right? |
| jstevewhite | There are some nice, fairly inexpensive bed controllers that can be driven right from ... what is it, D9? |
| jammi | and many of the cheapest ones have 16V capacitors, so they're only good for 12V |
| RaMcHiP_ | I need 24v |
| RaMcHiP_ | I want all to run off 24v that is ONE THING makerbot got right LOL |
| jammi | RaMcHiP_: then you need to replace caps or get a better than cheapest possible ramps board |
| jammi | I'd say the cheap bundles are worth it regardless, even if you replace all the A4988 drivers with something better and replace the ramps board itself with another |
| RaMcHiP_ | OooOOo https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-printer-RAMPS-FD-shield-Ramps-1-4-Control-board-32bit-Cortex-M3-ARM-Improv/32773853747.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10342_10547_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5722316_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_38,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=8ed88d64-e27e-4b33-b61e-689d9b513ed0 |
| RaMcHiP_ | -7&algo_pvid=8ed88d64-e27e-4b33-b61e-689d9b513ed0&priceBeautifyAB=0 |
| durrf2 | whats the fd mean |
| RaMcHiP_ | I think some of the combos I was looking at was 24v |
| jammi | paid like 20-25€ or so for a bundle with the reprapdiscount display, 6xA4988 drivers with heatsinks, ramps 1.4 and mega2560 |
| durrf2 | lmao nice blade fuses |
| RaMcHiP_ | AND! I just realized I can get a BL TOUCH and do autobed leveling on this!!! |
| durrf2 | i hear mixed feelings about bltouch |
| jammi | good luck finding a firmware for that thing |
| jammi | and it's not ramps |
| jammi | it's one of those sbase things maybe |
| RaMcHiP_ | I got a proximity sensor with my titan I just tossed it off to the side |
| jammi | meaning it won't fit ramps cases and good luck finding schematics or other troubleshooting info for it |
| Brandano | jammi: probably it runs a custom version of smoothieware |
| Brandano | or the 32 bit port of Marlin |
| jammi | Brandano: or some bastard son of marlin, yeah |
| Brandano | those mosfets... |
| jammi | I ordered a ramps 1.5 board as well, it's been shipping on the slowboat for maybe 2 months now |
| jammi | has smd mosfets and looks generally nicer than 1.4 boards |
| jammi | and definitely nicer than that geetech thing |
| Brandano | I have one of those |
| Brandano | that geeetech board is odd |
| Brandano | too few pins on the MCU. Looks like it's using two GPIO expander chips |
| jammi | yeah, they probably figured what'd be cheaper than ramps 1.4 and mega2560 |
| jammi | so of course the first thing to go was the expensive atmel mega2560 chip, and its separate board |
| Brandano | it has an OSHW logo |
| Brandano | so the schematics and gerbers should be available |
| jammi | logo doesn't mean shit in chinese stuff |
| jammi | it just means they added a logo, maybe in hopes to drive sales in people looking for a logo |
| jammi | similar to the fake CE logos |
| RaMcHiP_ | BEHOLD! THE PRECISION!!! I LOVE IT!!! |
| Brandano | https://www.geeetech.com/wiki/index.php/Ramps-FD |
| RaMcHiP_ | AND s3d is working! |
| RaMcHiP_ | My life is going better! |
| Brandano | there's the schematics |
| Brandano | it's meant to go on a due |
| Brandano | doesn't have the MCU on board |
| NowhereMan | that Ramps-FD has known problems, dont use it |
| NowhereMan | google it up, the designer wrote about it on reprap forums, Brandano |
| NowhereMan | Geetech won't make the next version of Ramps-FD that works... |
| Brandano | I wasn't contemplating it |
| Brandano | just looking up what it is |
| NowhereMan | and with the Chinese, OSHW = someone else designed it |
| NowhereMan | it is a Ramps to be used with the Due |
| Brandano | the power terminals look wimpy |
| Brandano | and I bet the traces aer too thin |
| NowhereMan | and they are... |
| jammi | however, at least some of the ramps 1.4 boards around are based on the original 1.4 design, but have some manual fixes applied |
| NowhereMan | sure, but AFAIK not the Ramps-FD |
| Brandano | the RAMPS is a pretty "dumb" board |
| jammi | Brandano: yeah, but still had a lot of issues originally |
| Brandano | even a poorly made one should be fixable |
| Brandano | I mean, add wires in parallel to the power lines |
| jammi | I don't think there's a big risk of encountering the bad ones anymore except in old printers |
| NowhereMan | I have seen Ramps "1.5" and "1.6", rev'd up by the chinese mfg... |
| jammi | NowhereMan: the 1.5's I've seen looked like legit 1.5's |
| NowhereMan | I believe on Ebay |
| Brandano | I have a "1.5", seems decent |
| jammi | http://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.5 |
| Brandano | not using it atm. I want to see if I can get it working with a ST dev board |
| Brandano | this one: http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-l496zg.html |
| Brandano | it's missing a whole double header of expansion pins, though... |
| RaMcHiP_ | YAY and verizon fixed my LTE on my laptop |
| RaMcHiP_ | Today is going GOOD for me LOL |
| jammi | Brandano: I'm also going to consider that. I've had unused nucleos stuffed away for a few years waiting for something to use them on |
| jammi | they're too big for most of my own one-off projects, where I rather use something like funduino pro mini or digispark |
| Brandano | there's some STM32 port of smoothie |
| NowhereMan | I saw that too ^ |
| jammi | Brandano: yeah, i've seen it, but breadboard stuff |
| jammi | rather than something to configure it for ramps |
| Brandano | but it ought to be able to be hacked for a RAMPS |
| NowhereMan | does the micro use 3.3 volts? |
| Brandano | as long as the pins can be re-mapped |
| Brandano | NowhereMan: most likely |
| Brandano | so, off with D1 to start with |
| NowhereMan | will you get it to run 24 volts too? |
| Brandano | don't see why not |
| Brandano | my current controller runs at 24v |
| NowhereMan | 32 bit RAMPS that can run 24 volts would be the ballz |
| Brandano | It's a velleman K8200 controller, essentially a RAMPS with an Atmega2560 on a single board |
| jammi | I think the bigger issue is whether you can run the i/o with 3.3V |
| jammi | since the arduino is 5V logic |
| Brandano | well, USB is 3.3v on the signal lines |
| jammi | and the newer stuff is all 3.3V |
| jammi | mosfets, steppers and all that |
| NowhereMan | I know there were some 5v vs 3.3v issues on the Ramps-FD boards.... |
| Brandano | the biggest problem is the mosfets |
| jammi | and thermistors and such |
| RaMcHiP_ | Are the V6 hotends with the carbide inserts worth it? |
| Brandano | most common mosfets are not completely switched at 3.3V |
| NowhereMan | but, I'd be glad to have Brandano work the bugs out and test it up then show us how to do the same |
| jammi | Brandano: yeah, and many aren't at even 5V |
| NowhereMan | ACTION grins |
| Brandano | the thermistors are only parts of a voltage divider |
| Brandano | so they work the same at any voltage |
| NowhereMan | so a mosfet change is the biggest problem? |
| jammi | the high-power mosfets I use for stuff generally needs at least 7-9V or so to even start conducting, but like 12V or so |
| Brandano | mosfets might need to be buffered |
| jammi | 12V or so to be completely on |
| jammi | I'm just accustomed to using small pnp or npn transistors with them |
| Brandano | another option is to use an optoisolated mosfet daughterboard and drive the optoisolator instead of the mosfet gate |
| NowhereMan | that's a nice solution |
| Brandano | as long as the pin can manage it |
| NowhereMan | really, keep the bits that burn on another isolated board |
| jammi | but there are plenty of 74-series and other logic stuff that would have a lot of gates level-switching either inverting or not, by primary purpose or not |
| Brandano | jammi: I was thinking about possibly using some 74-series buffer driver to drive optoisolated mosfet boards |
| jammi | why optoisolated though? |
| NowhereMan | come up with a single sided board... |
| TheHexaCube | hola |
| Brandano | because they are commonly available |
| NowhereMan | hola |
| NowhereMan | gib me a taco TheHexaCube |
| jammi | I wouldn't bother with that unless you're having some high-voltage ac stuff on the other side, or an expensive computer, like a laptop or desktop system |
| TheHexaCube | taco taco olé |
| Brandano | and the reason they are optoisolated is mainly because they are set to be driven by the controller's own mosfet |
| TheHexaCube | and that concludes my spanish |
| NowhereMan | oh yeah? |
| NowhereMan | I doubt that |
| jammi | Brandano: yeah, but I'd just go with wathever's cheapest |
| NowhereMan | ever have a burrito? |
| jammi | whether inverting or not |
| Brandano | and since the controller switches to ground, it's easier to drive an LED than to ask the user to tap into the controller gate |
| TheHexaCube | NowhereMan: what if I tell you I never had one |
| NowhereMan | I wont believe you |
| jammi | you'll use the adc's and dac's directly anyway |
| jammi | and they'll share the same psu as well |
| TheHexaCube | I think spanish/mexican foods aren't really popular or common here in germany |
| Brandano | NowhereMan: Not many burritos in Germany. A lot of kebabs, though |
| TheHexaCube | I don't think we have one restaurant for that in my city |
| TheHexaCube | mhhhm |
| TheHexaCube | I love me some kebab |
| jammi | yeah, not much spanish/mexican stuff here either |
| Brandano | jammi: not a lot of turkish stuff either, I gather |
| jammi | typical junk food is pizza, by a wide margin, followed by hamburgers, followed by kebab places, followed by nepalese food |
| jammi | Brandano: not really |
| Brandano | Nepalese? |
| jammi | similar to indian, but different |
| Brandano | interesting |
| jammi | although I think the nepalese stuff is rarer than chinese in other parts of the country |
| TheHexaCube | here it's kebab, theeeeeen much later we have asian food :D |
| TheHexaCube | that's what you can eat in my town |
| Brandano | Well, overe here Pizza is traditional, but we also have a lot of kebab places and American chain junk food suppliers |
| TheHexaCube | oh and american fast food of course, depending in which half of the city you are :P |
| NowhereMan | american junk food is popular |
| TheHexaCube | one half has McD and BurgerKing next to each other |
| TheHexaCube | and the other one doesn't have any big fast food chain at all |
| jammi | mcd's are found anywhere in the world |
| Brandano | Apparently there's a KFC in Rome |
| Brandano | I haven't been there yet |
| jammi | bk is a newer thing here, within the past decade or so |
| NowhereMan | new McDonalds in a place last year, now there is a sign that Burger King is opening nearby.... |
| TheHexaCube | I thiiink we have a domino's or something |
| NowhereMan | why? |
| Brandano | there were quite a few in London when I lived there |
| MeisterQ | [08.02.18|16:22:17] <jammi> mcd's are found anywhere in the world <- ive found a mcd in that super healthy country danmark |
| TheHexaCube | I ate there once, tasted awful |
| NowhereMan | they chase each other around |
| MeisterQ | but i paid double the ammount there, as here in germany |
| jammi | there's probably mcd's even in north korea |
| Brandano | MeisterQ: there's definitely a McDonald in Copenhagen |
| MeisterQ | probably its called McUn |
| NowhereMan | one of the reasons McDs is popular in the USA is the low cost |
| Brandano | IIRC one at the airport and one in the train station |
| NowhereMan | if it is costly, why go there? |
| TheHexaCube | anyways, today I found out how much more you earn if I'd go to on-site assembly after my apprenticeshi |
| Brandano | but that was 15 years ago |
| TheHexaCube | *apprenticeship |
| NowhereMan | then do it TheHexaCube |
| jammi | NowhereMan: over here they're "popular" mostly because they're everywhere |
| MeisterQ | yeah Brandano, but not on that small citys on the north sea |
| TheHexaCube | 19% *just* because you go to another country |
| TheHexaCube | that's nuuts |
| jammi | but still not as common as pizza-only and pizza-kebab places |
| jammi | kebab-only is pretty rare as well |
| NowhereMan | I rarely eat there but confess I did grab a meal the other night on the way to the airport |
| MeisterQ | pizza kebab places are everywhere |
| TheHexaCube | plus free airplane tickets and food and hotel |
| TheHexaCube | can't wait to go abroad *sigh* |
| Brandano | in Rome you will find two kinds of pizza. well, 3, really |
| jammi | I think any town with 50k people or more has at least one mcd's |
| MeisterQ | where are you going TheHexaCube? |
| TheHexaCube | MeisterQ: well I guess wherever my employer tells me to... big sites are china, sweden and the US |
| Brandano | one is the street food variety, "pissa al taglio" bought by the slice and cooked in large retangular pans |
| TheHexaCube | chances are high I can go to any of those countries |
| Brandano | *Pizza al taglio" |
| Brandano | How I mistyped that beats me |
| MeisterQ | well, but not in your aprentenship right TheHexaCube? |
| jammi | pasta-in-a-box is one of the newer things |
| TheHexaCube | MeisterQ: yeah, I mean afterwards :P |
| jammi | but they're outnumbered even by sushi places |
| MeisterQ | nice |
| Brandano | the other is the round pizza you buy in a restaurant. Roman pizza is thin. |
| TheHexaCube | 6-10 weeks China does sound like a great experience |
| Brandano | Neapolitan pizza is deeper, with edges that leaven up when cooking |
| jammi | Brandano: basically pan pizza vs regular (pan pizza being ones with thick crust and not baked directly on the oven plate) |
| Brandano | And naturally all of them come in many varieties. None of them , I am happy to say, with pineapple |
| TheHexaCube | ... but pineapple on a pizza tastes nice ;_; |
| MeisterQ | i have to travel 4 times a year for about 1-2 weeks everywhere in the world |
| MeisterQ | for my work |
| jammi | are you kidding? pineapple is one of the better things to have on pizza |
| jammi | anjovis is absolutely the worst thing ever, whether on pizza or not |
| Brandano | jammi: neapolitan pizza is baked directly on the oven plate but has a thick crust |
| MeisterQ | so jammi |
| jammi | or maybe not as bad as surströmming |
| jammi | but both are fish |
| MeisterQ | pineapple was the reason, anakin skywalker killed that younglings |
| MeisterQ | http://cleanmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1OrderedPineapple.png |
| jammi | pineapple and blue cheese go hand in hand on pizza |
| TheHexaCube | ew blue cheese |
| MeisterQ | ew |
| jammi | no, it's an awesome combo |
| Lizards|Work | legit |
| TheHexaCube | I really wish I liked more cheese but I just can't stand the taste or texture of soft cheese |
| Lizards|Work | blue cheese is garbage |
| jammi | blue cheese isn't even soft |
| MeisterQ | best combo is cheesepizza with garlic |
| jammi | it's pretty hard and crumbly |
| Lizards|Work | right, blue cheese is garbage |
| Lizards|Work | it's ruined |
| MeisterQ | and more garlic as cheese is more better |
| TheHexaCube | i loooove mozarella though :D |
| jammi | mozzarella is bullshit |
| NowhereMan | garlic is good |
| NowhereMan | eat moire garlic people |
| Brandano | AFAIK the only pizza that SOMETIMES has garlic on is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_marinara |
| TheHexaCube | are garlic people like... lizard people? |
| TheHexaCube | but with garlic? |
| NowhereMan | yes |
| NowhereMan | shhhhh |
| NowhereMan | don't rile up the lizard people |
| TheHexaCube | oh thank god I have a day off tomorrow |
| MeisterQ | nah, just order your cheesy pizza with a big load of garlic Brandano |
| MeisterQ | you wont ever eat any other pizza anymore |
| TheHexaCube | i don't think I'd survive another day of work |
| jammi | or just have an vampire infestation somewhere near them |
| Brandano | MeisterQ: I am Italian. I might consider it if you name it something else. |
| MeisterQ | ahh bella italia |
| TheHexaCube | pizza al formaggio! (or something? :P) |
| Lizards|Work | mine more garlic! |
| Nebukadneza | Brandano: high-gluten-sourdough pizza FTW |
| Brandano | there's a "Quattro formaggi" version |
| Lizards|Work | TO THE GARLIC MINES! |
| MeisterQ | well. if you sell that pizza over there, you'd probably become a millionaire |
| NowhereMan | gluten is good |
| TheHexaCube | I really gotta eat some kebab again |
| Brandano | which meand four cheeses. but it's a generic name, and the cheese varietise are not set |
| Nebukadneza | well, for a proper nice pizza you need it |
| TheHexaCube | used to eat it twice every week when I went to school |
| TheHexaCube | now it's been months since I had one |
| Nebukadneza | Caputo Blue Gastro FTW |
| MeisterQ | so what if on four cheese pizza are five diffrent kinds of cheese? |
| buZz | complete waste of pizza then |
| MeisterQ | is it not called four cheese anymore? |
| buZz | 'new york pizza' here sells a five and six cheese pizza |
| MeisterQ | sounds nice |
| MeisterQ | id order extra garlic |
| Brandano | probably varies from region to region based on what cheeses are more typical of the zone |
| NowhereMan | so many varieties of cheese.... |
| jammi | quattro formaggi is nice, with pineapple |
| jammi | and egg |
| Brandano | jammi: slap some nutella on it while you are at it |
| Neomex | *war beings* |
| Brandano | and anchovies |
| Neomex | begins* |
| NowhereMan | my wife loves pizza with chicken and pineapple |
| MeisterQ | pineapple is the reason for a death of an big group of people |
| jammi | chocolate pizza is also thing, as is marchmallow pizza |
| Brandano | I don't know of any pizza with chicke, pork, beef or any other kind of meat on it |
| Brandano | only cured meats |
| jammi | MeisterQ: so is any ingredient |
| NowhereMan | so, who died for the pineapple? |
| MeisterQ | theres an disgusting chocolate pizza in germany |
| Brandano | Many bothans |
| jammi | Brandano: your pizza selection is just too limited |
| MeisterQ | [08.02.18|16:38:40] <NowhereMan> so, who died for the pineapple? <-- the jedis |
| TheHexaCube | you know what tastes nice on a pizza? |
| MeisterQ | all of that younglings in the temple of jedi |
| TheHexaCube | chicken and curry |
| NowhereMan | wtf? is this place full of Trekkies? |
| jammi | I rather replace chicken on pizza with feta |
| MeisterQ | jedis are no trekkies |
| NowhereMan | r u sure? |
| MeisterQ | yes |
| MeisterQ | trekkies are star trek |
| MeisterQ | jedis are star wars |
| jammi | like, feta-bluecheese-paprika-pineapple |
| kraegar | Brandano: I think we've discussed this before, but this place sounds fairly similar in their pizza to what you get. http://eatventuri.com/menu/ |
| NowhereMan | same thing, really |
| MeisterQ | jammi |
| MeisterQ | https://az809444.vo.msecnd.net/image/3473851/636x380/0/ristorante-schokopng.png |
| MeisterQ | thats disgusting |
| MeisterQ | you can buy it here in germany |
| jammi | MeisterQ: yeah, I've seen the same here |
| TheHexaCube | i don't even get why people dislike that pizza so much |
| TheHexaCube | isn't it essentially a dessert? |
| MeisterQ | ive ate afew slices of that |
| jammi | MeisterQ: my favourite oetker thing is the thick-crusted quattro formaggi |
| MeisterQ | not more |
| NowhereMan | no, it is a meal |
| Brandano | kraegar: close, except that Pepperoni is an American thing :) |
| MeisterQ | yeah, thats good jammi |
| MeisterQ | but with garlic xD |
| jammi | MeisterQ: oetker rustica iirc |
| Brandano | probably similar to a type of hot sausages we have in some places in southern Italy |
| kraegar | Brandano: that one's new. |
| jammi | I have some in my freezer, but without the cardboard (takes too much space) |
| kraegar | Brandano: they didn't have that when I was there. I think they added to to placate people who show up and want pepperoni, lol |
| Brandano | also, the truffle oil is a recent thing |
| jammi | my favourite italian thing is parma ham |
| jammi | air dried ham basically |
| MeisterQ | yeah thats nice jammi |
| jammi | in some specific caves there |
| Brandano | Personally I prefer Tuscan ham. It hs a stronger flavour, and more salt. |
| MeisterQ | on a pizza even better |
| NowhereMan | cappacuolo and prosciuttini FTW |
| Brandano | Parma is aged in two phases, and requires a pretty specific environment |
| Brandano | though nowadays we have climate controlled aging vaults |
| Brandano | which makes it a bit easier to do |
| NowhereMan | how hard is it to buy off the supermarket shelf? |
| Brandano | it's the reason why prosciutto is only made in some regions. Up in the mountains the same cut is smoked before aging, and is called Speck |
| Brandano | there's no traditional prosciutto in the south, though they probably make some too |
| NowhereMan | couldn't they just buy it from the north? |
| Brandano | they do now |
| Brandano | not 50 years ago |
| Brandano | well, 70 years ago |
| Brandano | you have to consider that 100 years ago for us is not THAT long ago |
| NowhereMan | I think they have traded with each other for thousands of years.... |
| NowhereMan | all of europe did a lot of trading |
| Brandano | yup, but the country is criss-crossed with mountains and rivers |
| NowhereMan | I know, very pretty country |
| Brandano | transporting stuff took time, and there were no fridges |
| NowhereMan | so? |
| Brandano | so you end up with salted fish being a traditional mountain dish |
| NowhereMan | none of that would have stopped trading |
| jammi | 100 years is a long time in US, and 100 miles is some bullshit in US units anywhere but US |
| NowhereMan | ^ |
| NowhereMan | and when you talk Europe, the people there have done a lot of trading since before written history |
| Tailslide | Anyone have a problem with their bed heating up so fast that it starts printing before the glass reaches the same temp as the bed ? |
| jammi | also, when you talk Europe, it's not a single cultural area at all |
| NowhereMan | my printer heats the bed then the hotend |
| jammi | nor ethnic |
| Tailslide | NowhereMan: Yeah mine too but it's still not enough time.. maybe I just bump up the temp an extra 10 degrees for the first layer |
| NowhereMan | neither is the USA |
| buZz | Tailslide: using the wrong gcode for bedtemp then |
| buZz | Tailslide: one is 'fire and forget' , other is 'set and wait till reached' |
| NowhereMan | try that Tailslide |
| buZz | bed? |
| gthx | bed is http://www.thefrankes.com/wp/?p=2698 |
| Tailslide | It was all printing fine then I put in a 24v 200w silicone heater and started having problems... adding 10 degrees seems to help. |
| buZz | Tailslide: check these |
| buZz | M140? |
| gthx | M140 is set bed temperature, sets temperature and returns control to host immediately. Example: M140 S10 |
| buZz | M190? |
| gthx | M190 is set bed temperature and pause until reached, host loses control until temperature is reached. Example: M190 S65. In marlin M190 R30 waits for the bed to cool down too, useful in end gcode to run a fan until cool |
| buZz | you probably are using M140 , where you are looking to find the behaviour of M190 |
| Tailslide | BuZz: no it's waiting until the temperature reaches reported temp |
| buZz | oh, its heating up -too fast- |
| buZz | put the thermistor on the other side of the glass then :D |
| Tailslide | Yeah.. it does 110 degrees in like one minute |
| Tailslide | :) |
| buZz | or use thinner glass perhaps |
| Tailslide | I have one of those flexible buildtak plates on order maybe they heat up faster? |
| buZz | no clue |
| Tailslide | Thinner glass is a good idea |
| buZz | i have a PEI sticker on a alu heating element |
| buZz | heats up plenty fast |
| Tailslide | I have aluminum, glass with PEI on top |
| jammi | glass on pcb on alu here, and heats about as fast as the hotend |
| buZz | why would you do glass -and- PEI? |
| buZz | just clean glass adheres near perfectly already |
| buZz | at least for PLA :) |
| Tailslide | buZz: I have two plates .. one with PEI and one without. Some things stick to well to PEI some things don't stick well enough to glass |
| buZz | hmhm |
| Tailslide | I just lift them out and swap them.. thermal mat between the glass and the bed. |
| Brandano | NowhereMan: I am specifically referring to Italy |
| buZz | Tailslide: so you're heating a 3 layer sandwich :) |
| buZz | yeah that'll take a while |
| Brandano | that wasn't even a single country until a relatively short time ago |
| buZz | moving the thermistor to other side of the bed would fix it :P |
| Brandano | we surely had a lot of trade, but not for food |
| Tailslide | Maybe my slicer has a way to add a pause before printing |
| Brandano | custom gcode in the header |
| Brandano | there's both a code for a pause and one to wait for a continue from the user |
| Tailslide | great.. I'll give that a shot |
| buZz | M226? |
| gthx | M226 is G-Code initiated pause, works the same as the pause button. Matches M1 in NIST RS274NGC and M0 in Marlin. See http://www.reprap.org/wiki/G-code#M226:_Gcode_Initiated_Pause |
| Brandano | also, the set temperature commands are in two varieties, waiting and not waiting |
| buZz | yeah he is waiting |
| buZz | but the heat isnt on other side of bed by that time :P |
| Tailslide | G4? |
| gthx | G4 is Dwell, or pause the machine for a period of time, see also http://reprap.org/wiki/G-code#G4:_Dwell |
| Brandano | Ah, I was looking for that |
| NowhereMan | Brandano, Italy isnt that large of a country |
| RaMcHiP_ | Man I am in love with this titan aero!!! |
| Brandano | if you are on RepRapFirmware you might want to use M291 |
| Brandano | NowhereMan: yep, Odd that it still takes more than 6 hours to go from Rome to Pesaro by train, then |
| RaMcHiP_ | Printing my esteps calibration now but she looks like glass. |
| NowhereMan | 6 hours? not that long |
| Tecan | https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Tesla-Coil-Plasma-Speaker-Kit-Electronic-Field-Music-15W-DIY-Project/332148597568 7 dollars |
| NowhereMan | I read 736 miles long by 237 miles wide |
| NowhereMan | it takes five days to cross the USA |
| Brandano | 6 hours is a long time for 300km |
| NowhereMan | Texas takes a day to get thru |
| NowhereMan | are you saying your trains suck? |
| Brandano | 4h by car |
| NowhereMan | how were they under Mussolini? |
| Brandano | trasins suck, roads suck... there's a mountain range between them! |
| Brandano | it's the Appennines, so not even the tallest mountain range, the Alps are worse |
| Brandano | 3hr 40m by air |
| NowhereMan | it takes 4 hours to drive the Jersey turnpike |
| Brandano | https://goo.gl/maps/XvS1zVSZ1oH2 |
| Brandano | Italy is a geographically complex country |
| Lizards|Work | the US is boring af |
| Lizards|Work | /s |
| NowhereMan | the USA is more complex |
| Brandano | yes, it's also a much bigger place |
| NowhereMan | ikr |
| Lizards|Work | no way |
| NowhereMan | yes way |
| Lizards|Work | i don't believe you |
| Brandano | but don't presume that because Italy is small it's easy to travel from place to lpace |
| Brandano | building a motorway means punching through mountains |
| NowhereMan | your belief is irrelevant to reality, Lizards|Work |
| Mangy_Dog | uummm |
| NowhereMan | I've been thru many different mountains |
| Mangy_Dog | geographically speacking |
| NowhereMan | lived on a few too |
| Mangy_Dog | america is NOT boring |
| Mangy_Dog | speaking |
| NowhereMan | he's just jealous |
| NowhereMan | where do you live, Lizards|Work? |
| Lizards|Work | near some Great Lakes |
| Mangy_Dog | america is the one continant with every kind of geographical feature |
| Lizards|Work | continant... |
| Mangy_Dog | im eating a sarny no time to spell good |
| Mangy_Dog | :p |
| NowhereMan | see? he sounds Canadian, Mangy_Dog |
| Mangy_Dog | actually im british |
| Mangy_Dog | but i would love to live in canada sometimes |
| Mangy_Dog | lovely country |
| Lizards|Work | nah, i'm in the great lakes megalopolis, but not on the canadian side |
| durrf2 | canada is nice |
| durrf2 | but its too cold here!!! |
| Lizards|Work | i love how because i'm not a great big dumb face you assume i'm not american |
| Lizards|Work | durrf2: what's the outside temp in your backyard right now? |
| NowhereMan | it is 56F here right now |
| Mangy_Dog | its pretty cold here in norfolk too |
| NowhereMan | so you've never left the chicago area, Lizards|Work? |
| Lizards|Work | -11C here, and we're gonna get 12-20cm of snow |
| Mangy_Dog | fun |
| Lizards|Work | NowhereMan: "chicago area" |
| Mangy_Dog | only around 1c at the moment |
| NowhereMan | and Lizards|Work, Americans use Imperial |
| NowhereMan | liar |
| Lizards|Work | methinks you're misunderestimating the size of the great lakes megalopolis |
| Lizards|Work | NowhereMan: because i'm inclusive of the poor metric-tards who can't/won't do the conversions? |
| Lizards|Work | yikes |
| NowhereMan | lol |
| NowhereMan | >americans convert into metric |
| NowhereMan | liar |
| NowhereMan | yer a trans-american |
| Lizards|Work | this channel is a place that you \cannot\ productively communicate without using metric |
| Brandano | http://en.allmetsat.com/metar-taf/italy.php?icao=LIRA |
| Brandano | 10°c, pretty cold for this time of day |
| buZz | NowhereMan: what year was metric made official in US again? |
| buZz | 1992? |
| NowhereMan | it never was |
| NowhereMan | but keep dreaming |
| TheHexaCube | god damn alternate timelines |
| buZz | NowhereMan: actually 1994 |
| buZz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States |
| Lizards|Work | the inch is defined as what, now NowhereMan |
| buZz | Still, most Americans are unable to make metric conversions |
| NowhereMan | I will fight for my right to use my ancestor's units, not your commie frenchy crap |
| Lizards|Work | the inch is a metric unit, because it's defined as 2.54cm |
| DigitalReaper | NASA officially uses metric |
| Brandano | buZz: OR imperial conversions |
| NowhereMan | the meter is defined as what, now Lizards|Work |
| Lizards|Work | the meter is the distance travelled by light during FUCK YOU |
| Lizards|Work | ayyyyy |
| Lizards|Work | roasted |
| NowhereMan | because the survey data was changed to fit what they wanted when they created the meter.... |
| Brandano | NowhereMan: you mean the units imposed from the UK on their colonies? |
| NowhereMan | the inch was used all over europe |
| buZz | US is just a UK fanboy |
| buZz | NowhereMan: nope |
| buZz | just UK |
| Brandano | Actually, there's also an official meter standard |
| NowhereMan | and the metric system came out of the french revolution |
| Lizards|Work | Brandano: i sent a pm with my local weather... the airport is a little too specific for my location to share in the channel ahahaha |
| Lizards|Work | Brandano: he's a troll bruh... it's not worth it |
| NowhereMan | and that meter standard is no less arbitrary than the foot |
| buZz | french revolution was before US even existed |
| NowhereMan | ... |
| NowhereMan | no, it wasnt |
| Brandano | well, the Romans had a sistem of measures |
| Brandano | no inches AFAIK |
| NowhereMan | before you open your mouth you should learn some history, buZz |
| buZz | 1789 :P |
| jammi | US units have been based on metric, just with funny conversion factors since late 1800s |
| Lizards|Work | the meter may have been arbitrary, but as a centigrade standard unit it's way better than "the width of an acorn" |
| buZz | most of US was still french back then |
| jammi | or not just based on metric, more like defined in metric |
| buZz | well they still are |
| buZz | seeing they all speak european |
| NowhereMan | the us declaration of independence was 1776.... |
| Lizards|Work | 1inch = 2.54cm |
| durrf2 | DigitalReaper: Science uses metric |
| jammi | and it's also where they diverged from imperial |
| jammi | and became us customary rather than imperial |
| Brandano | US pints <> UK pints |
| buZz | hmhm, US pints and barrels are smaller than UK pints and barrels |
| Lizards|Work | a pint's a pound, the whole world 'round |
| buZz | but they sold as '1 barrel' obviously |
| buZz | US is built on fraud and tax evasion |
| buZz | :P |
| Brandano | Ounces <> Ounces. There's at least 3 types of ounces |
| NowhereMan | duodecimal >> decimal |
| buZz | duodecimal , rofl |
| NowhereMan | dozenal rules |
| NowhereMan | decimal drools |
| Valduare_ | deezenuts |
| Brandano | and several types of miles, knots etc... |
| buZz | Brandano: most amusing to me is the shoesize of the guy that made the 'feet' standard |
| buZz | guy had some big ass feet |
| NowhereMan | here is a good webpage y'all should read http://www.dozenal.org/index.html |
| NowhereMan | learn something |
| buZz | or gal |
| buZz | NowhereMan: no |
| buZz | you can keep your flatearther math in your limited genepool just fine |
| buZz | no need to spam |
| NowhereMan | oh look, we gots a badass here |
| Brandano | buZz: actually, it was the size of the foot on the Colossus statue, in front of the coliseum |
| Lizards|Work | everybody, i'm sorry... he's an "american" but i don't associate with him |
| NowhereMan | poor buZz |
| NowhereMan | ACTION pats buZz on the head |
| buZz | Brandano: ha :) so even fakefeet |
| Lizards|Work | oh shit |
| Brandano | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_units_of_measurement |
| buZz | ACTION boops NowhereMan on the boop |
| Lizards|Work | that was a hell of a flex |
| Brandano | I believe it represented Emperor Nero |
| NowhereMan | oh look, he is trying to impress me |
| NowhereMan | lmfao |
| NowhereMan | you know the metric system was imposed on the french in an attempt to remake the society, don't you? |
| Brandano | Ah, no, the statue of Cossitus. I misread that |
| Brandano | the Colossus was much bigger |
| Lizards|Work | buZz++ |
| jammi | thanks |
| NowhereMan | lol@buzz |
| buZz | enjoy |
| Lizards|Work | ah the old rejoin-aroo |
| Lizards|Work | that was a heck of a broad brush for the mute there lol |
| buZz | :P |
| buZz | who even uses ipv4 anymore |
| Lizards|Work | "this entire class b supernet, fuck you" |
| Mangy_Dog | most people |
| Brandano | ACTION raises his hand... |
| buZz | Mangy_Dog: sad people |
| buZz | :D |
| Mangy_Dog | i use both |
| jammi | Lizards|Work: there are no ip classes anymore |
| Mangy_Dog | my internet is ipv6 |
| Lizards|Work | i'll use ipv4 until ipv6 is required for in-home LANs |
| Mangy_Dog | internal ip4 |
| Mangy_Dog | actually |
| Mangy_Dog | my internet is both |
| Brandano | Well, class C networks are mostly IPv4 still |
| buZz | Lizards|Work: sure makes it all a shitton easier :P |
| Mangy_Dog | so my computer has both |
| jammi | iirc, late 90s in when it was abandoned for a finer-grained system than merely classes |
| Lizards|Work | buZz: if you say so... |
| Lizards|Work | buZz: i can store a 32bit binary in my head |
| buZz | hawt |
| buZz | i can afford a dns server :P |
| Lizards|Work | i haven't been able to do the same for ipv6 addresses yet |
| jstevewhite | CIDR |
| Lizards|Work | classless |
| Lizards|Work | inter |
| Lizards|Work | domain |
| Lizards|Work | rooting |
| Lizards|Work | root root root |
| Lizards|Work | su root |
| jstevewhite | I root ALL the packetzes, bitchez |
| Lizards|Work | i fight for the root user |
| Mangy_Dog | it just took me over 2 years to remember my mobile number :/ |
| Lizards|Work | XD |
| Mangy_Dog | im shit at remembering sequinces |
| Lizards|Work | i accidentally learned my library card number when i was forced to use it for signing on to library computers back in the early aughts |
| Mangy_Dog | heh |
| Lizards|Work | it's... still up there |
| jstevewhite | I learn my credit card and debit card numbers accidentally |
| Lizards|Work | can't remember the natural color of my sister's hair, but i know my library card number |
| Mangy_Dog | lol# |
| buZz | check her armpits |
| Mangy_Dog | i know my debit card |
| Lizards|Work | "hey stand still long enough to grow some pit hair" |
| Mangy_Dog | but only because its hardly changed since i was 16 |
| NowhereMan | done being a moron, buZz? |
| Mangy_Dog | the first three sets of numbers have aways been the same |
| Lizards|Work | lordy |
| buZz | NowhereMan: please address the mirror with your own name, not mine |
| jstevewhite | "I'm rubber, you're glue" lol |
| NowhereMan | yeah jstevewhite |
| NowhereMan | lmao |
| jstevewhite | "I know, but what am I"? |
| Brandano | hmm, should I play Monkey Island yet again? |
| NowhereMan | should I call him a poopyhead now, jstevewhite? |
| jstevewhite | NowhereMan: You're playing that game, not me |
| NowhereMan | am I? |
| Brandano | one advantage of a normal memory is that you can forget some of the puzzles in adventure games |
| Lizards|Work | :[ |
| Brandano | I mean, it's great to remember everything, but I don't envy you Lizards|Work |
| jstevewhite | oh, I forget aqll kinds of stuff I shouldn't.. And remember all kinds of stuff I shouldn't. |
| Brandano | same here |
| durrf2 | i have forgotten more then you will ever know!!!!!!!!!!! |
| buZz | like 'ken sent me' |
| Lizards|Work | Brandano: i was just thinking... i haven't had a difficult run-through of first generation pokemon games since ... 1999? |
| durrf2 | its me im the library of alexandria |
| buZz | the password for larry1 to get into the brothel |
| Brandano | I remember random sets of letters and numbers generated with a script for wifi passwords |
| jstevewhite | durrf2: But you seem to have forgotten more than YOU know, as well. |
| NowhereMan | i remember more than you have forgotten, durrf2 |
| durrf2 | Lizards|Work: pokemon games are not difficult |
| durrf2 | you cant just say the same thing i said but in reverse |
| durrf2 | thats not how it works |
| Lizards|Work | durrf2: unknown dungeon, victory road, cinnabar islands |
| NowhereMan | I just did |
| Lizards|Work | getting to the birds, getting all the "puzzles" solved |
| durrf2 | Lizards|Work: just get a missingno |
| durrf2 | boom |
| Lizards|Work | i don't even bother getting flash anymore, i just muscle memory through that cave |
| NowhereMan | i have a bird on my shoulder right now |
| Valduare_ | i see #reprap is in some oddish kind of pissing match of weirdos this morning :P |
| Valduare_ | normal day :P |
| thews | Lizards|Work, unless you're a savant you just need to feed lots more numbers into your brain to purge the old stuff |
| NowhereMan | it's IRC |
| jstevewhite | Valduare_: you're here, right? |
| Lizards|Work | thews: i've tried... |
| thews | Lizards|Work, I barely recognize stuff from networks I manage now |
| thews | several locations and a hundred vlans |
| thews | and stuff doesn't always click |
| Brandano | Lizards|Work: maybe you can volounteer as backup human DNS |
| Lizards|Work | nah, i'm not quite a savant... i know i can forget things... i just don't get to choose what goes |
| Brandano | people rarely get to choose what to forget |
| jstevewhite | Dude I worked with in a camera shop had the most... retentive memory I've ever seen |
| Brandano | and generally it requires large consumption of alcoholic beverages |
| jstevewhite | Guy walked in and sat down at the high dollar counter, and Rick said "Hi, Mike." The dude was like, "How the hell do you remember my name? I was in here ONCE, like, four years ago." |
| Brandano | some people can forget specific things, for a fee |
| jstevewhite | Rick said, "Yeah, and you bought that red dial from me, a 30mm, and a 90mm." |
| buZz | easy trick to remember people's names when you meet them the first time |
| NowhereMan | maybe Mike was someone you couldn't forget easily |
| buZz | get them to mention their name before you mention yours |
| thews | I can't remember the names of the two guys that I just talked to |
| jstevewhite | Rick went on " That red dial was serial number nnnnnn" |
| buZz | and repeat it back to them before saying your own |
| thews | michael and something |
| thews | have their business cards in my pocket |
| buZz | thews: bay |
| buZz | :) |
| jstevewhite | NowhereMan: nope. Rick could remember *everything* |
| Brandano | jstevewhite: well, he knew your name so yoyu must have struck a conversation |
| thews | other one was thomas |
| Brandano | and that helps a lot |
| jstevewhite | Brandano: ? |
| Brandano | normally you don't formally introduce yourself to a guy behind a counter |
| jstevewhite | Well, it wasn't *me*, it was some rando |
| jstevewhite | but back then you had to fill out reciepts by hand with th eserial numbers and shit |
| jstevewhite | so you wrote down the customer's name and serial numbers |
| NowhereMan | the good old days |
| Brandano | Ah, ok, I mean he must have struck a conversation with your colleague |
| NowhereMan | pre-puter, when things got done well |
| jstevewhite | but Rick remembered them FOUR YEARS LATER |
| bpye | I really underestimated how long it'd take me to design a part for my printer... |
| jstevewhite | While that is probably true, Rick never forgot anyone's name |
| bpye | And it's just a cable strain relief :( |
| NowhereMan | you modeled a ziptie? |
| Brandano | jstevewhite: memory is weird |
| Valduare_ | jstevewhite: Dude I worked with in a camera shop had the most... retentive memory I've ever seen —— he was probably taking pictures of everything to remember :P duh |
| Brandano | if someone strikes you as odd for any reason you are more likely to remember him |
| bpye | NowhereMan: https://imgur.com/a/5E7HF Not quite, it's to attach to my P3steel frame |
| bpye | y carriage* |
| NowhereMan | it doesn't seem that complicated, what CAD package did you use? |
| Brandano | bpye: any reason the bottom subtraction has two lobes? |
| Brandano | OpenSCAD |
| NowhereMan | oh boy, that explains it |
| Brandano | nah, it's a matter of habit |
| NowhereMan | try a real CAD program and that sorta thing is modeled easy |
| Brandano | most of the things you would classify as real CAD programs are less CADish than OpenSCAD |
| NowhereMan | not at all true |
| TheHexaCube | :( now nearly all pads are square again |
| TheHexaCube | https://i.imgur.com/320rgXf.png |
| TheHexaCube | hrmpf |
| NowhereMan | OpenSCAD is for Linux Engineers, not real engineers |
| bpye | Brandano: Hm not really any reason... |
| Lizards|Work | i remember when i was compelled to troll in #reprap |
| Brandano | bpye: I was wondering if you should just hull them before subtraction |
| NowhereMan | who is trolling, Lizards|Work? |
| NowhereMan | seriously, if that part took a long time to model you should move to a better CAD program, bpye |
| NowhereMan | OpenSCAD is pretty much like the CAD packages of 1983 |
| buZz | yeah openscad is for real engineers, not winderp users |
| TheHexaCube | the thing I dislike about openscad is that it still uses faces >:( |
| TheHexaCube | i mean |
| TheHexaCube | polygons |
| buZz | if you're handicapped into using winderp, better use one of em clicky cads |
| Valduare_ | fusion360 is all you need |
| buZz | Valduare_: and once that gets released as FOSS i'll consider it |
| NowhereMan | fusion360 is far better than OpenSCAD, that's for sure |
| Valduare_ | your loss |
| Brandano | well, there's FreeCAD too |
| NowhereMan | he is a True Believer, Valduare_ |
| Brandano | but I prefer OpenSCAD |
| jstevewhite | FreeCAD is... terrible. |
| bpye | I did try FreeCAD once but I struggled more with that... |
| Valduare_ | i belive in productivity :) |
| NowhereMan | I prefer Pro/Engineer |
| jstevewhite | OpenSCAD is fun |
| NowhereMan | it's made me a lot of $$ |
| jstevewhite | FreeCAD and Blender compete for 'who can have the worst UI' |
| NowhereMan | worse than blender? |
| NowhereMan | oy vey! |
| Brandano | Actually, Blender's UI is not that bad |
| Brandano | it just has too much stuff on it for a beginner |
| jstevewhite | This is clearly some use of the phrase "not that bad" I haven't encountered before. |
| jstevewhite | Eh, fuck that |
| jstevewhite | I've used the commercial pro programs too |
| buZz | yeah once you get past the basics on blender, its starting to make a lot more sense |
| jstevewhite | Blender's UI is TERRIBLE |
| Brandano | I have used 3DS Max, and it was not any better |
| jstevewhite | Back in the 90s, sure :D |
| Brandano | the fact is, mesh modellers are complex |
| NowhereMan | hell, y'all might as well use LightWave |
| Brandano | and Blender tries to cram every function on the screen |
| jstevewhite | I've used lightwave. It's better than Blender, UI-wise |
| jstevewhite | I've used Maya |
| Ameisen | Blender's UI is awful, but it's better than the competition usually |
| Brandano | there's a few themes that make it more user friendly |
| Ameisen | But I'm a programmer |
| jstevewhite | Even Houdini had a better UI than blender |
| Ameisen | the issue Blender has is almost everything is very non-intuitive |
| NowhereMan | I don't use gamer cad software |
| Ameisen | and I always have to ask VanessaE how to do things |
| ccecil_ | jstevewhite, it's not so bad once you get done pulling all your teeth |
| Brandano | Blender is not CAD |
| VanessaE | ACTION hides |
| jstevewhite | ccecil_: +++ |
| Ameisen | like... flood select shouldn't ONLY be doable through, say, whatever VanessaE said it was |
| Ameisen | ctrl enter or something |
| Ameisen | there should be a clear menu option |
| VanessaE | ctrl-kp-plus |
| Ameisen | vertices - select adjacent vertices |
| Ameisen | vertices - flood select |
| VanessaE | or ctrl-left-button for lasso |
| Ameisen | select _all_ connected vertices |
| Ameisen | I had to hit ctrl++ like 20 times :( |
| Ameisen | got slower every time |
| VanessaE | there IS a select-all-connected |
| Ameisen | blender isn't very fast |
| Valduare_ | you hear that VanessaE blender is not cad :P |
| VanessaE | I just don't remember it. |
| Brandano | You can use Blender to do some parametric modeling, if you keep the modifier stack un-applied |
| NowhereMan | it isn't cad |
| Ameisen | VanessaE - it shoudln't be hard to find, that's the problem |
| Brandano | but it just isn't meant for mechanical modeling |
| Ameisen | blender tends to use weird names |
| Ameisen | and hides things |
| jstevewhite | I mean, commercial software has complex interfaces as well. ZBrush, for instance |
| Ameisen | flood select should be a very obvious and common thing |
| jstevewhite | it's complex, but it doesn't SUCK. |
| NowhereMan | ^ |
| Ameisen | we should fork blender, clean up the UI |
| Ameisen | call it Food Processor |
| Ameisen | and rewrite it entirely in C++ so it doesn't take an hour to do simple tasks ;) |
| NowhereMan | CuisinFart Modeler |
| jstevewhite | Ameisen: That would be awesome. Give it a good UI. |
| NowhereMan | CFM |
| ccecil_ | we talked about doing a skin that was 3d printer cad friendly |
| Ameisen | I blame the plugins all being interpreted as to why it's slow at simple things |
| ccecil_ | many...many years ago :) but that project seems to have stalled at inception |
| buZz | ccecil_: they did implement some plugins to show overhangs etc, i think? |
| ccecil_ | buZz, it was really good for making nested plates of stls |
| buZz | nice |
| ccecil_ | that was mainly what I used it for...and it had a visualizer |
| Brandano | I think it would be neater to add mouse input generation and altering of primitives in OpenSCAD |
| ccecil_ | there was a gcode visualizer plugin for it at one point |
| VanessaE | Ah. Ameisen: Select -> Linked |
| Ameisen | see, that's a weird name |
| Ameisen | why not call it flood select |
| VanessaE | yes, it is weird. |
| Ameisen | that's what basically everyone knows it as - flood fill |
| Ameisen | I'm still not clear on edge loops, etc |
| Brandano | because some commercial product would claim they are copying them? |
| Ameisen | sometimes edge loops work |
| Ameisen | other times they're confusing and don't work |
| ccecil_ | all I remember about blender was "N" for the proper menu/interface page |
| ccecil_ | only useful page on there :) |
| Brandano | Ameisen: edge loops are dependant on topology |
| Brandano | same as edge rings |
| Valduare_ | When is something going to be used other than .stl |
| Brandano | amf? |
| gthx | amf is Unlike its predecessor STL format, AMF has native support for color, materials, and constellations. |
| Ameisen | There was actually a guy writing a simple 3d modeler (think milkshape but muuuuuch better) for game development |
| Ameisen | but he stopped |
| Ameisen | what he had for a while was actually really nice |
| Ameisen | it wasn't meant at all for rendering, etc |
| Ameisen | it was purely a modeler |
| ccecil_ | yeah...amf would be sweet...use different color for different fill...etc |
| Ameisen | and had limited animation capabilities |
| Brandano | I believe it supports arcs too |
| Brandano | curved edges defined by vertex normals |
| ccecil_ | wasn't it patented though or something like that |
| Brandano | nah, just "stl is good enough" |
| ccecil_ | until it isn't :) |
| Brandano | and you'd have to rewrite the entire toolchain |
| ccecil_ | my printer shows the limitations of the stl in the final print...and it is many years old |
| Brandano | not all firmwares support arc moves, and most slices can't generate them |
| Brandano | *slicers |
| ccecil_ | smoothie does...marlin I am not sure |
| Brandano | Marlin supports arc moves, but internally segments them in linear moves |
| Ameisen | VanessaE - I'm going to try using pypy or something with Blender |
| Ameisen | might speed it up |
| Brandano | I assume smoothie does the same |
| Ameisen | Brandano - I'm working on that in Tuna |
| Ameisen | that's one of my next tasks |
| Ameisen | Not arc moves in particular, but adding true curved movements |
| Brandano | Ameisen: is tuna going to run on STM32? |
| Ameisen | since I want to make edge curve slightly to reduce jerk |
| Ameisen | Tuna won't. Skipjack will. |
| ccecil_ | Brandano, I would need to ask jim |
| Ameisen | Skipjack will inherit some libraries from Tuna, but otherwise will be a clean rewrite. |
| ccecil_ | Brandano, I know it supports arcs...not sure how it handles them but since it is geared more for cnc/laser I am not sure |
| Ameisen | My current very very very very very simple builds for ARM run on Teensy, but shouldn't be hard to migrate to STM |
| VanessaE | Ameisen: I thought blender just used python for plugins and such, not the base code? |
| Ameisen | VanessaE - I think some of the things like modifiers run in Python |
| Brandano | ccecil_: as long as the straight segments have a higher resolution than the mechanical limits of the printer they should be fine |
| Ameisen | which is why they're INCREDIBLY slow to run |
| VanessaE | huh. |
| Ameisen | that, or the people who are maintaining Blender are programmers with absolutley atrocious concepts of how algorithms work |
| Ameisen | since some of the things I ask Blender to do take like an hour, where I could literally write a C++ snippet that does it in 10 seconds |
| Brandano | a good portion of the Blender UI is managed via python |
| Ameisen | like generating complex spheres |
| Ameisen | tell ie to make a 1000x1000 sphere |
| Ameisen | I can generate all of the vertices, normals, etc for that in C++ in less than a second |
| Ameisen | it takes Blender about 30 minutes |
| Ameisen | I have zero idea what it's doing |
| Ameisen | and Blender's build process is annoying |
| Ameisen | Blender... just tries to do too much, I think |
| Ameisen | I want a modeler. |
| Ameisen | Maybe with some animation support for gamedev |
| Ameisen | I don't need a full renderer, etc |
| Ameisen | Blender is certainly geared more towards rendering than mesh work |
| Valduare_ | Ameisen: its hitting up fiverr.com to get some cheap 5 dollar program to calculate the math for it and then IT displays the 1000x1000 sphere :P |
| Ameisen | Thus, I think forking Blender might not be a terrible idea |
| Ameisen | take blender, strip out the renderer and tings for it |
| Ameisen | now we are working from a codebase that's 25% the original size |
| Ameisen | and can optimize for use-cases |
| Ameisen | and can strip out some of the internal logic it uses for meshes that is no longer necessary |
| Ameisen | the math to generate a UV Sphere (as blender calls it) is very simple |
| ccecil_ | Brandano, yeah...smoothie is segmented too...arthur answered :) |
| Ameisen | just a bunch of sin and cos |
| Ameisen | isospheres are a bit more complicated, but really not by much |
| Ameisen | start with a... whatever the shape is called |
| Ameisen | pyramid with 3 sides |
| Ameisen | then just repeatedly subdivide each triangle |
| Ameisen | normalizing the distance of the new center vertex |
| Ameisen | their annoyance is UV mapping, since there's no 'nice' way to UV map an isosphere |
| Ameisen | easiest way is to use a warped cubemap UV |
| Ameisen | since you can generate a cubemap from a cylindrical map, still works for things like planets |
| Ameisen | and helps eliminate the annoying 'wrinkle' at the poles |
| Ameisen | I've actually used cubemaps for skyboxes in cabes |
| Ameisen | games* |
| Ameisen | it eliminates some potential warping issues near the edges with certain FOVs, and eliminates some overdraw from vertices. |
| Brandano | Ameisen: use a subdivided cube conformed to a sphere shape and you get nice mapping |
| Brandano | think basket ball |
| Brandano | all quads and relatively little distortion on the edge cases too |
| Brandano | 90 degrees angle widened to 120 degrees where you have to join 3 faces instead of 4 |
| Ameisen | well |
| Ameisen | all spheres tend to have issues with mapping on the GPU due to normals |
| Ameisen | the GPU uses linear interpolation of values between vertices |
| Ameisen | problem is that the surface of a sphere requires spherical interpolation |
| Ameisen | so you can have lighting artifacts |
| Ameisen | newer GPUs can give you the ability to override the default interpolation behavior though, IIRC |
| Ameisen | not cheap\ |
| Ameisen | VanessaE - I'm extracting the PyPy source right now |
| Ameisen | gonna see if I can fix up the Win64 issues they have (they use long heavily to hold pointer values - works on Linux because long is 64-bit there, but on windows long is 32-bit) |
| Ameisen | PyPy is a JITted python implementation, so should be faster |
| Ameisen | Python also has a bytecode, so I can write my own JIT potentially |
| Brandano | well, the python bytecode is not exactly compiled |
| Brandano | cython is compiled, IIRC |
| Ameisen | All I need is the python code already lexed and parsed. |
| jstevewhite | "compiled to bytecode" is a thing |
| Ameisen | which the bytecode will already be |
| Ameisen | that will give me the overall logic of each method, which shoudl be enough to JIT or even just AOT-process the code into native x86 |
| Brandano | I mean, the "compiler" makes no effort to optimize for a specific target or to optimize program structures |
| Ameisen | That would be the AOT compiler's job. |
| Ameisen | trivial optimizations are simple. |
| Ameisen | SHould still be faster than CPython execution even with only basic optimizations like constant folding |
| crankylinuxuser | optimization #1: replace user with shell script |
| Lizards|Work | crankylinuxuser: i do this wherever possible |
| crankylinuxuser | what do you do with the body, then/ |
| Ameisen | ACTION isn't a huge fan of Python |
| Ameisen | I am usually either writing where I need performance, or am writing simple scripts to help a build |
| Ameisen | with the latter, meh, I just use Ruby |
| Lizards|Work | crankylinuxuser: they usually get repurposed into order fulfilment positions |
| crankylinuxuser | awww, that's lame. I figured you would toss'em in the baler and send them on their way :) |
| crankylinuxuser | so, C and Ruby, eh? |
| jstevewhite | The person I prefer replacing with a script is me. |
| jstevewhite | And then I do other stuff. |
| jstevewhite | like chat on IRC |
| jstevewhite | CRuby |
| bill2or3 | Wait, you're not a script? |
| Brandano | Soylent green |
| crankylinuxuser | yeah wasnt there that verizon engineer who subcontracted their job and then did whatever (prolly batin) |
| jstevewhite | I know devs who've had overseas 'dev for hire' types do some of the tedious work for them. |
| Brandano | the problem was reading back all the comments in hindi |
| crankylinuxuser | unless there's a clearance involved, I see little wrong with that :) |
| jstevewhite | Neh, he paid the extra quarter to get english speaking devs |
| Ameisen | There is Cython |
| jstevewhite | crankylinuxuser: frankly, neither do i, but the businesses involved don't see it that way |
| durrf2 | fiver is great for tedious shit |
| durrf2 | lmao |
| Brandano | "ok, the program works, but does it erally need to implement a whole SMTP server?" |
| crankylinuxuser | jstevewhite, unless it's about *your* job. Then they most certainly do |
| Ameisen | so if we actually fork Blender... what would be wise would be to make Python plugins obsolete, but to run current ones through Cython and execute them as libraries |
| jstevewhite | crankylinuxuser: yep |
| Ameisen | Python seems a weird language to do mesh/modeling plugins in - it's better at other things. |
| Ameisen | Functional languages, and also C-like languages like C#, are better at math. |
| crankylinuxuser | pass the pain and suffering to all, and use perl5 |
| Brandano | Ameisen: it's meant to be easy for non-programmers to use |
| Ameisen | Brandano - which probably also explains their performance problems :P |
| crankylinuxuser | on the bright side, it is good at handling the text with STLs and gcode |
| crankylinuxuser | yeah the bigger problem with python is shared execuition space with all things that run python. Makes for some interesting debugging sessions |
| Ameisen | meh |
| Ameisen | PyPy is written in RPython |
| Ameisen | I'm not set up to work with Python |
| Brandano | https://www.python.org/doc/humor/#python-vs-tcl-vs-perl5 |
| crankylinuxuser | although for speed stuff, im looking more at Rust |
| crankylinuxuser | I tried Golang, but I just don't like their design decisions |
| Ameisen | Brandano - since you seem to know Python |
| Ameisen | at what level are optimizations performed? |
| Ameisen | You say the compiler lacks an optimizer |
| Ameisen | Are they performing optimizations by preprocessing the bytecoe? |
| crankylinuxuser | it's a JIT |
| Brandano | yup |
| Brandano | even running a python .py script it's converted to bytecode before being executed |
| Ameisen | CPython isn't a JIT |
| Ameisen | or at least, not in the traditional sense |
| Ameisen | it isn't converting anything to host machine code |
| Ameisen | it's a runtime bytecode generator/interpreter? |
| crankylinuxuser | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPython |
| crankylinuxuser | Unladen Swallow was an optimization branch of CPython, intended to be fully compatible and significantly faster. It aimed to achieve its goals by supplementing CPython's custom virtual machine with a just-in-time compiler built using LLVM. |
| Brandano | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38755305/which-things-can-the-python-interpreter-optimize |
| jammi | modern js's otoh are jit, and perform much better |
| Brandano | essentially, Python can't optimize much, because the language itself is "too flexible" for that |
| Brandano | "Your if condition == True: example is a good one: that comparison could be optimized only if the compiler could prove that condition is always a boolean, which is a non-trivial task if it derives from anything but literals in the current scope - and if it could prove that, at runtime, nobody managed to overwrite True with something else (possible only in Python 2 IIRC). " |
| jammi | and on the ruby side (at least mri), the C extensibility is made so easy and straight-forward it doesn't matter much how the ruby code performs since you can easily identify and optimize the bottlenecks, when it matters |
| jammi | whereas in python, it's comparatively a major pita to deal with C++ extensions |
| MerkWerk | so i have an old prusa mendel i2 that is my primary printer. say i want to upgrade it to something more modern (like i3). any recommendations on a kit for that? :P |
| Brandano | jammi: well, one advantage of python there is that it's strongly typed, even if it allows to reassign different types to the same variable |
| jammi | even moreso in js, where it's pretty rare regardless |
| Brandano | if you try to sum an integer and a string python will complain |
| crankylinuxuser | MerkWerk, not entirely sure what the hordes here suggest as a migration from i2 |
| jammi | Brandano: it doesn't differ much vs js and ruby there |
| Brandano | js will just decide that the string wins and concatenate |
| jammi | or does so only artificially |
| crankylinuxuser | NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN |
| MerkWerk | haha |
| Ameisen | Unladen Swallow was not integrated into CPython |
| Ameisen | only parts of it |
| Ameisen | CPython itself is still lacking a JIT |
| reifsnyderb | seen mutley*? |
| gthx | mutley85 was last seen in #reprap 6 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, 44 seconds ago saying 'mm'. |
| gthx | mutley was last seen in #reprap 8 days, 23 hours, 14 seconds ago saying 'willmore: no worries'. |
| gthx | mutley_ was last seen in #reprap 118 days, 22 hours, 50 minutes, 55 seconds ago saying 'hey Lizards|Work'. |
| jammi | in the real world, unless you're writing binary formats or protocols (for which they all are the wrong tool), it shouldn't really matter since mistyping is rare |
| Brandano | MerkWerk: print parts for a new printer, then reuse the hardware you can |
| crankylinuxuser | Ameisen, quit using tools the way they werent intended, and spend time on tools that work. |
| Brandano | MerkWerk: there's some nice corexy designs |
| crankylinuxuser | python is great for a bunch of things. Speed is not one of them. |
| Ameisen | crankylinuxuser - ok |
| MerkWerk | yeah i cant certainly make the printed parts. guess i need to do some research and see what else would be good |
| Ameisen | tell the Blender developers that |
| Ameisen | not me |
| Brandano | python is great to glue libraries together |
| MerkWerk | trying to keep it cheap, so i dunno if i could manage to switch to something like corexy |
| crankylinuxuser | MerkWerk, stay away from anything that uses acrylic as a structural material. Too brittle and will snap when you least expect it. |
| Brandano | Ameisen: Belnder uses C and C++ for the things that erquier speed |
| Ameisen | Brandano - then why does generating a UV Sphere with high vertex density take 30 minutes |
| MerkWerk | oh no doubt. aluminum for sure, but will settle for steel too |
| Ameisen | when I can do the same in C++ in about one second |
| Ameisen | :| |
| Brandano | Ameisen: to dissuade people from doing it |
| Ameisen | Blender is awful at processing complex objects |
| crankylinuxuser | s/at processing complex objects// |
| Brandano | when people uses Blender commercially, they don't use high poly complex scenes |
| kraegar | who let crankylinuxuser back on? thought we evicted him |
| TheHexaCube | hrmpf I wish there would be small IC heatsinks with longer fins :( |
| Brandano | you can get the same result using textures properly |
| TheHexaCube | no, they just increase in area instead |
| crankylinuxuser | no that was curlyears :P |
| jammi | ruby + c is a nice combo of making something nice and pretty on the high level, yet perform low-level tasks well |
| TheHexaCube | ehhh, Blender does fine with up to 1 million verts |
| reprapper | guys, do you know whats a bulli ? :) |
| TheHexaCube | your scene can get awfully complex until you reach 1 million verts |
| crankylinuxuser | sooo, nobody's going to respond to "blender is awful", eh? |
| Brandano | TheHexaCube: as long as you have enough RAM |
| jammi | but for a modern app you typically use a dynamically typed language, the quality of the runtimes / jits and other tooling just makes js stand out |
| TheHexaCube | Brandano: nah it's not even RAM related afaik, blender just has problems with going above that :P |
| reprapper | blender is an amazing tool |
| Brandano | crankylinuxuser: well, try it in #blendercoders |
| TheHexaCube | unless you turn several features off |
| TheHexaCube | then you can go up to 40 million verts or something |
| TheHexaCube | features as in, display features |
| Brandano | I think OpenGL is one major bottleneck there |
| crankylinuxuser | just pirate zbrush like most of the artists do on thingi :P |
| Brandano | if something has 1 million vertexes, it displays 1 million vertexes |
| jammi | there's a reason both apple and microsoft went with their own proprietary display techs rather than stick to opengl |
| Brandano | that can be awfully slow on some hardware |
| Ameisen | If I were designing a plugin interface, I'd likely use C# for it |
| TheHexaCube | does it really Brandano? |
| Ameisen | and if I had to use a higher language, Lua |
| jammi | opengl is like the python of 3d engines |
| TheHexaCube | iirc there's the option to display only verts that are actually visible |
| crankylinuxuser | C-sharp? uhhhhhhhhh |
| Brandano | TheHexaCube: Intel integrated graphics? |
| Ameisen | jammi - OpenGL isn't a 3d engine |
| Lizards|Work | seas harp |
| jammi | kinda pretty on the outside, but performs like a dog |
| Ameisen | it's an API |
| jammi | Ameisen: maybe oversimplified, but 3d hal / api / driver interface, yes |
| Ameisen | one that has a lot of ancient idiosyncrasies |
| Ameisen | and lost a lot of developers to D3D after D3D9 |
| jammi | yeah, something that should've died in the 1990s along with sgi |
| Brandano | anyway, I think I will head home |
| Ameisen | and now we have D3D12 and Vulkan for very low level |
| Ameisen | and they're almost the smae. |
| jammi | and metal |
| Ameisen | yeah |
| crankylinuxuser | No, S3 had MeTaL |
| Ameisen | my GPU has no difficulty rendering one million verts |
| Ameisen | or 10 million. |
| Ameisen | Blender has difficulty _processing_ large numbers of vertices |
| Ameisen | I have no idea what it's doing |
| crankylinuxuser | batin |
| jammi | my gpu choices are more about driver compatibility and quality than speed; they're all fast enough at >200€ or so |
| jammi | faster of course being better, but it doesn't really matter as long as they're not the bottleneck |
| crankylinuxuser | yeah, stay away from nvidia if you use linux. way too many badnesses there. |
| MerkWerk | thingiverse search is broken again, yay |
| jammi | yeah, and stay away from amd if you want to hackintosh. shitty drivers. |
| jammi | actually both for cpu and gpu |
| crankylinuxuser | why would you willingly wear a strap-on-computer? |
| jammi | you mean why would you willingly use a unix system with great quality native gui apps and development tools available? |
| crankylinuxuser | Yeah, Debian is pretty awesome |
| MerkWerk | ^ |
| MerkWerk | hehe |
| MerkWerk | i generally use ubuntu, but yeah :P |
| jammi | debian makes for nice appliances and servers, sure |
| jammi | at least low-effort ones |
| jammi | but for gui apps... meeeh |
| jammi | and not really that great in the development tool department either |
| jammi | especially if you use apt to manage them |
| MerkWerk | it has vim and gcc, what more do you need? :P |
| crankylinuxuser | macintrashes are already 99% app-ified. You need to go through a whole song and dance to even install a 3rd party package. Not even microsoft is that bad. |
| jammi | MerkWerk: a lot more |
| jammi | crankylinuxuser: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| crankylinuxuser | and what, you want to install something into /usr/bin ? NOPE |
| MerkWerk | apple stuff is fine if you fit into their narrow view of the world. and dont mind paying through the ass for it |
| jammi | MerkWerk: hackintoshes are the remedy for the latter at least |
| jammi | and the former applies to everything |
| MerkWerk | but i personally think the company is evil and shouldnt get my money regardless |
| jammi | the options are narrow views of the world vs other narrow views of the world. sometimes there's some overlap, but mostly not |
| crankylinuxuser | what part of "I download a package from a trusted 3rd party website, outside their app ecosystem, and the system prevents it from being installed" do you understand? |
| Nebukadneza | https://matrix.ghostdub.de/_matrix/media/v1/download/ghostdub.de/ALDETGshFaGylziDmMskAVVT |
| Nebukadneza | wooo |
| Nebukadneza | new hotend sock |
| Ameisen | Why the heck did the PyPy developers write it in RPython, convert it to C, and then build the library |
| Ameisen | just write it in C. |
| jammi | crankylinuxuser: I think you've no knowledge of what you're talking about |
| Ameisen | it adds a number of build steps |
| jammi | crankylinuxuser: what are you sourcing it from; slashdot? :D |
| crankylinuxuser | inb4 soviet russia |
| bill2or3 | I've heard that python developers often prefer to code in python... |
| jammi | crankylinuxuser: remember gnaa? |
| crankylinuxuser | the gay nigger ass-ociation of america? ugh..... |
| crankylinuxuser | yeah, I saw a post recently on reddit that linked to their shock site, Last Measure. I thought they had all died. |
| Tecan | https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Tesla-Coil-Plasma-Speaker-Kit-Electronic-Field-Music-15W-DIY-Project/332148597568 7 dollarshttps://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Tesla-Coil-Plasma-Speaker-Kit-Electronic-Field-Music-15W-DIY-Project/332148597568 7 dollars |
| Tecan | oops |
| jammi | I'm kinda pissed early slashdot was buggy enough to corrupt my 4-digit account |
| Tecan | put openwrt on the teslacoil |
| jammi | and they never fixed it, so I just have to use my 5-digit account like a common pleb |
| crankylinuxuser | I still remember my troll I did that picked up 300 something comments. |
| Ameisen | ACTION just had a nightmare of the PHP developers writing the PHP interpreter in PHP |
| crankylinuxuser | It was a routine Opera Feature notice. I bombed it with an anti-open-source diatribe (surprised?) . It took the troll cake |
| jammi | Ameisen: how about 1-upping it to php developers writing a python interpreter in python, and beating cpython hands down in performance? |
| Ameisen | I wrote the fastest MIPS32r6 emulator in existence :P |
| jammi | personally, I think python is actually that bad |
| Ameisen | which is an accomplishment because I'm also probably the only person who has used MIPS32r6 for anything |
| jammi | and I have no high thoughts of php either |
| crankylinuxuser | pretty high programming ? |
| crankylinuxuser | or horrible? I can never remember |
| Lizards|Work | personal home page |
| MerkWerk | heh |
| Lizards|Work | php hypertext preprocessor |
| jammi | should've been called ssi++ |
| Lizards|Work | php hypertext preprocessor hypertext preprocessor |
| Lizards|Work | php hypertext preprocessor hypertext preprocessor hypertext preprocessor |
| jammi | ssi being the server side include ssi |
| crankylinuxuser | hit'em wit it |
| Lizards|Work | oh snap! |
| crankylinuxuser | well. dead bot |
| GrantM11235 | Benoit B. "The B stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot" Mandelbrot |
| MerkWerk | does prusa even publish his design files anymore?... |
| GrantM11235 | https://github.com/prusa3d/Original-Prusa-i3 |
| MerkWerk | ahh cool |
| crankylinuxuser | bwahahahah, "LL bean is sewing electronics crap in their clothes that posts shit to the ethereum blockchain.." uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| durrf2 | what |
| crankylinuxuser | https://gizmodo.com/l-l-bean-wants-to-know-where-youve-l-l-been-1822823283 |
| crankylinuxuser | you cant make this shit up |
| MerkWerk | haha |
| lowrizzle | i'm waiting for them to be able to use my wrist implants to mine |
| crankylinuxuser | Maybe I just don't get the blockchains. But damn, use a fucking database. not rocket surgery |
| lowrizzle | i reckon i dig up at least one coin a morning right before i get out of bed |
| MerkWerk | hmm not really having any luck finding a mk3 frame kit that comes with the extrusions |
| Ameisen | next time I build a printer, I think I'm gonna use 4040, 6060, or 8080 extrusion |
| Ameisen | very very very very rigid, but also easier to work with than stock |
| durrf2 | 200200 or bust |
| Ameisen | couldn't find 200200 |
| Ameisen | I found 150150 |
| MerkWerk | lol |
| crankylinuxuser | pay 10x as much and go with 8020! |
| TheHexaCube | i really gotta find out how expensive 4040 is at work |
| Ameisen | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/120120-Aluminium-Profile-EN-Standard-DIY-Brackets-Aluminium-AL-Extrusion-CNC-3D-DIY-Printer-Frame-Heavy/32833122248.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.1.26411052KF1A3K&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10342_10547_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5722316_5711215_10313_10059_10534_100031_ |
| Ameisen | 10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_36,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=7817b8d6-2efe-4282-a717-b015cf11bf9a-0&algo_pvid=7817b8d6-2efe-4282-a717-b015cf11bf9a&priceBeautifyAB=0 |
| Ameisen | there's 120120 |
| Ameisen | misumi has 100100 |
| TheHexaCube | lol |
| TheHexaCube | those pictures |
| TheHexaCube | "yeah we don't really know how to build industrial machinery so let's just use extrusion" :D |
| Ameisen | Go with 500500 extrusion |
| Ameisen | build the printer inside the tube. |
| TheHexaCube | actually |
| TheHexaCube | nevermind, they actually just enclosed the machines |
| TheHexaCube | I take my statement back |
| crankylinuxuser | Laaaame, just use I-Beams |
| Ameisen | just build a wooded mold for your printer, pour aluminum into it |
| Ameisen | bam |
| Ameisen | solid frame |
| TheHexaCube | https://de.aliexpress.com/item/10-st-cke-Aluminium-Schrittmotortreiber-K-hlblock-K-hlk-rper-w-rmeableitung-f-r-DRV8825-TMC2100/32839430049.htm |
| TheHexaCube | https://de.aliexpress.com/item/10-st-cke-Aluminium-Schrittmotortreiber-K-hlblock-K-hlk-rper-w-rmeableitung-f-r-DRV8825-TMC2100/32839430049.html |
| TheHexaCube | 1st link is faulty |
| TheHexaCube | now THAT are some heatsinks |
| crankylinuxuser | so r u TheHexaCube :P |
| Ameisen | I just use old aluminum ramsinks |
| Ameisen | meant for old GPUs |
| TheHexaCube | buuuut they of COURSE don't give dimensions |
| TheHexaCube | grrrrmpf |
| MerkWerk | the p3steel frame looks like a decent option |
| crankylinuxuser | heh. someone said I suck because my "how'd they do that" wasn't a fucking dissertation. Told'em I'd blow too if they were nice. |
| MerkWerk | if i can find a source in the us... |
| p3ck | MerkWerk, http://openbuildspartstore.com/ does that help? They are out of NJ |
| lowrizzle | consequently all their stuff smells like an armpit and has a shitty attitude |
| lowrizzle | and calls coffee kaw-fee |
| Nebukadneza | ? |
| NowhereMan | it's a jersey joke |
| NowhereMan | things from there smell like an armpit because jersey IS the armpit of the USA |
| NowhereMan | and you'd have a shitty attitude too if you were stuck in jersey, lowrizzle |
| MerkWerk | oh ebay. $69! (with $58 shipping) |
| lowrizzle | i'm probably drink a lot of kawfee |
| MerkWerk | wonder how much it would cost to have a frame laser cut locally |
| NowhereMan | you have to ask to find out, that could vary a lot |
| bill2or3 | I wonder if waterjeting is cheaper. |
| bill2or3 | ACTION ponders |
| NowhereMan | that also would depend on who cuts it for you... |
| MerkWerk | waterjet could be. but would want one that has kerf angle compensation |
| NowhereMan | how thick is the frame? 1/8"? |
| MerkWerk | looks like 3mm is specified |
| MerkWerk | http://reprap.org/wiki/P3Steel |
| lowrizzle | the frame itself doesn't need to be extremely precisely cut |
| lowrizzle | it just needs to be straight and rigid |
| crankylinuxuser | lowrizzle, its better than covfefe, right? |
| lowrizzle | you could print the frame pattern out in paper and nibble it out of 1/8" sheet with a jigsaw |
| MerkWerk | lol |
| lowrizzle | i wasn't joking |
| MerkWerk | thats too much work :P |
| lowrizzle | yea i'd just buy one |
| lowrizzle | i'd just buy the printer though |
| durrf2 | or a drill |
| durrf2 | instead o fusing a saw you just drill holes close to each other |
| durrf2 | boom |
| lowrizzle | i wonder why nobody makes their printer frames out of nice hardwood |
| GrantM11235 | Moisture induced warpage |
| MerkWerk | wood is not a suitable material for precisions machines. because of that yes |
| SpeedEvil | Heating helps quite a lot. |
| durrf2 | dolly? |
| gthx | dolly is https://toms3d.org/2017/02/23/building-cheapest-possible-prusa-i3-mk2/ |
| durrf2 | not hardwood |
| durrf2 | but close |
| SpeedEvil | Heat for ~3h under steam at 180C, and you greatly reduce moisture absorbtion and make the wood more stable. |
| durrf2 | like in the oven? |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/patents/EP0695408A1?cl=en |
| SpeedEvil | yes |
| SpeedEvil | steam at atmospheric pressure. |
| MerkWerk | it is probably still an order of magnitude less thermally and humidity stable than steel or aluminum |
| SpeedEvil | https://www.metsawood.com/uk/Products/exterior-cladding/thermowood/Pages/thermowood-cladding.aspx |
| SpeedEvil | sure |
| MerkWerk | can it work? yes. is it ideal? no |
| lowrizzle | nice stained hardwood indoors isn't going to thermally cycle much |
| SpeedEvil | Depends on your shop environment. |
| lowrizzle | the i3 was designed with an mdf frame in mind after all |
| SpeedEvil | mdf isn't wood really. |
| MerkWerk | "much" is not a precision term :P |
| SpeedEvil | In many ways structurally it behaves very, very differently. |
| lowrizzle | it swells more than hardwoods |
| lowrizzle | it thermally cycles much more readily than maple |
| SpeedEvil | MDF swells linearly though. |
| lowrizzle | its nowhere near as rigid or dense |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| lowrizzle | so it's decided then, someone needs to make an white oak 3d printer frame |
| SpeedEvil | One of my projects is an air bearing using french polished wood. |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| SpeedEvil | (maybe really) |
| lowrizzle | how many frenchmen does it take to polish wood |
| MerkWerk | if you are looking for a precision of say .1mm in what you print, what is the acceptable tolerance of the materials the machine is built out of? :) |
| SpeedEvil | 20 euros is 20 euros. |
| SpeedEvil | MerkWerk: that depends how many elements are in your correction curve. |
| crankylinuxuser | how many frenchman? no clue. they wear out pretty quickly at 20k rpm |
| MerkWerk | haha |
| MerkWerk | well. you debate. im gonna go get a sammich :) |
| lowrizzle | thats a lot of rpms |
| jstevewhite | lowrizzle: I had a cabinet grade plywood 3d printer frame for a while |
| |Jeroen| | ikea grade? |
| SpeedEvil | Decent ply is pretty stable. |
| SpeedEvil | ACTION has a sheet of 8*4 ply that has a 3' bend in the middle. |
| TheHexaCube | weee |
| TheHexaCube | I'm getting 70€ from my company next month AND 70€ from my car insurance |
| TheHexaCube | I'm going to be ROLLING in dough |
| Lizards|Work | lol |
| Lizards|Work | sick bro, don't spend it all in one place |
| TheHexaCube | it'll all go into my new computah |
| durrf2 | sounds like a fancy computer |
| crankylinuxuser | what kinda chip you got in there? a doritos? |
| TheHexaCube | durrf2: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mCkfr6 |
| TheHexaCube | well I'm not saying I'll buy a PC for 140€ |
| TheHexaCube | just that I'll add that money to my savings for it :P |
| durrf2 | whyyyyyy do you want liquid cooling |
| TheHexaCube | because it looks reaaaally sexy |
| durrf2 | spend 100 dollars less and buy a fancy assed fan |
| TheHexaCube | well |
| TheHexaCube | I looked up what a noctua cooler costs |
| Lizards|Work | crankylinuxuser: it's all about the pentiums bay-bee |
| durrf2 | dont need the noctua heatsinc just the fan |
| crankylinuxuser | uh huh, yeah! |
| TheHexaCube | and it's not that much cheaper if I want black fans instead of the horribly ugly brown unes |
| crankylinuxuser | sigh, kids (TheHexaCube) these days :P |
| TheHexaCube | performance wise the NZXT loop is about on par with the noctua setup |
| TheHexaCube | I think the noctua was 3C cooler under extreme load |
| TheHexaCube | https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/206766.10f97e7a1e6f8200916d9407ff04d35c.1600.jpg |
| TheHexaCube | but just look how cool it looks!! :P |
| durrf2 | TheHexaCube: looks aint everything |
| crankylinuxuser | but how many bitcoin per second can you get? |
| durrf2 | when the pump dies |
| durrf2 | you will be like |
| durrf2 | why didnt i listen to durrf |
| TheHexaCube | hehe |
| crankylinuxuser | but seriously, the less moving parts, the better. |
| TheHexaCube | hrrrrmpf |
| TheHexaCube | well |
| TheHexaCube | hrmpf |
| crankylinuxuser | moving things = eventual not moving = failure and sadness = whining on IRC |
| TheHexaCube | i mean the dark rock cooler looks sorta nice |
| TheHexaCube | be quiet dark rock 3 or whatever it's called |
| TheHexaCube | but it doesn't perform as well as the Noctua DH15 :( |
| curlyears | heigh hough |
| TheHexaCube | hey there curlyears o/ |
| crankylinuxuser | hey ned flanders! |
| Lizards|Work | it's like i'm wearing *nothing at all* |
| reifsnyderb | seen mutley*? |
| gthx | mutley85 was last seen in #reprap 6 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes, 20 seconds ago saying 'mm'. |
| gthx | mutley was last seen in #reprap 9 days, 40 minutes, 50 seconds ago saying 'willmore: no worries'. |
| gthx | mutley_ was last seen in #reprap 119 days, 31 minutes, 31 seconds ago saying 'hey Lizards|Work'. |
| curlyears | hey hey, TheHexaCube |
| reifsnyderb | gthx: tell mutley to ping me when he's around |
| gthx | reifsnyderb: I'll pass that on when mutley is around. |
| reifsnyderb | gthx: tell mutley to ping reifsnyderb when he's around |
| gthx | reifsnyderb: I'll pass that on when mutley is around. |
| curlyears | gthx; tell reifsnyderb that you've got it already :) |
| gthx | curlyears: I'll pass that on when reifsnyderb is around. |
| reifsnyderb | curlyears: What have I got already? |
| gthx | reifsnyderb: 18 seconds ago <curlyears> tell reifsnyderb that you've got it already :) |
| curlyears | reifsnyderb: gthx agreed to notify mutley the first time you told him to. I am giving you a hard time. :) |
| reifsnyderb | curlyears: Ah, ok. :-) |
| GearheadRed | BkZtm-vh9t |
| reifsnyderb | curlyears: gthx doesn't always cooperate with me. :-) |
| curlyears | GearheadRed: and the same to you. |
| GearheadRed | wat? |
| gthx | wat is https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| curlyears | gthx doesn't always play well with anyone, so far as I can tell. |
| Lizards|Work | status? |
| gthx | gthx version 1.28 2018-01-09: OK; Up for 29 days, 12 hours, 51 minutes, 53 seconds; kthx is GONE mood: pretty good. |
| curlyears | BkZtm-vh9t that is what you said, GearheadRed |
| GearheadRed | oh damnit |
| reifsnyderb | ghtx has a mood? |
| GrantM11235 | You just have to treat him with respect |
| GrantM11235 | botsnack! |
| gthx | YUMYUMYUMYUM YUM. Delicioso! |
| reifsnyderb | I wonder how we change gthx's mood.... |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | status? |
| gthx | gthx version 1.28 2018-01-09: OK; Up for 29 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes, 36 seconds; kthx is GONE mood: pretty good. |
| Lizards|Work | i think it's server load on the place he lives |
| reifsnyderb | status? |
| gthx | gthx version 1.28 2018-01-09: OK; Up for 29 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes, 38 seconds; kthx is GONE mood: pretty good. |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | status? |
| gthx | gthx version 1.28 2018-01-09: OK; Up for 29 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes, 42 seconds; kthx is GONE mood: pretty good. |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | botsmack! |
| gthx | Ouchies! |
| reifsnyderb | status? |
| gthx | gthx version 1.28 2018-01-09: OK; Up for 29 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes, 49 seconds; kthx is GONE mood: pretty good. |
| reifsnyderb | hmmmm.... |
| Lizards|Work | i'm pretty sure it's based on server load |
| Lizards|Work | gthx source? |
| reifsnyderb | Lizards|Work: too bad. :-) |
| Lizards|Work | yeh |
| GearheadRed | thanks for ping curlyears |
| Lizards|Work | karma? |
| Lizards|Work | info karma? |
| gthx | Sorry, I couldn't find an entry for karma |
| Lizards|Work | dag |
| GearheadRed | i think karma was just a kthx thing? |
| VanessaE | the poor bot :( |
| curlyears | GearheadRed: you are welcome, though to be honest, I was just giving you a hard time :) |
| GearheadRed | karma curlyears |
| GearheadRed | nope |
| GearheadRed | nah its good, i gotta change my home screen unlock password now |
| curlyears | I don't use a "memmorized" password. I use a simple generation algorith that I can "run" in my head, so I don't have to memorize a gazillion passworfds |
| curlyears | s/mm/m/ |
| curlyears | afk |
| reifsnyderb | gthx needs to have karma added. It was always nice to check shawn413's karma rating. :-) |
| GearheadRed | lol |
| TheHexaCube | nah, botsmacks/botsnacks change ghtx's mood |
| TheHexaCube | and afaik if he gets in a REALLY bad mood, *something* happens |
| TheHexaCube | but that hasn't happened yet |
| VanessaE | she* |
| durrf2 | they* |
| jammi | curlyears: I just use the password manager and the keys it generates |
| Lizards|Work | xe* |
| jammi | the master password is just a phase that's pretty long but quick to type |
| VanessaE | it's a IRC rule - all bots are female. Not sure why, guess it's like cars and ships. |
| jammi | #notallbots |
| durrf2 | its 2018 genders dont exist anymore |
| VanessaE | heh |
| TheHexaCube | my company has the stupid rule to change passwords every month |
| Lizards|Work | LET'S TEAR DOWN THE GENDERED NORMS |
| TheHexaCube | and it's two passwords |
| Lizards|Work | TheHexaCube: it's called password entropy |
| jeffdm_home | Norm might object |
| TheHexaCube | each has to contain numbers, high and lower case letters, special characters |
| TheHexaCube | uuugh |
| durrf2 | TheHexaCube: and cant be any of the previous 6 passwords |
| jammi | Lizards|Work: it's called "make the users pick too easy passwords because they no longer care" |
| durrf2 | jammi: or have it written on postits |
| jammi | durrf2: yes |
| Lizards|Work | eh, just increment a number in the middle of a word sandwich |
| durrf2 | lmao my work password requires changing for some stuff so i just chang ewhat letter is caps |
| VanessaE | TheHexaCube: C0rr3ctbatteryH0rseSt4ple:P |
| VanessaE | there, that ought to cover it. |
| TheHexaCube | durrf2: previous 12 even |
| durrf2 | dosnt even need the l33t sp34k added in, but using other words then that would be ideal, as im sure that so many people actually use CorrectBatteryHorseStapler as a password |
| TheHexaCube | well I'm using my *current* password (shame on me for reusing the same one several times I know) plus a couple more letters and numbers |
| durrf2 | password algorithms are the best way ot use passwords anyway |
| TheHexaCube | sooo... it's pretty long by now |
| durrf2 | for a while my home pcs password was "thesnozzberriestastelikesnozzberries" and people would be like "what the fukc" when they saw me type in my password |
| durrf2 | because of how long it is and how fast i typed it in |
| TheHexaCube | hehe yeah |
| TheHexaCube | i do wonder though |
| VanessaE | who ever heard of a snozzberry?! |
| TheHexaCube | if that'd be a pretty save password |
| TheHexaCube | because it just has sooo many letters? |
| durrf2 | anyone whos seen the movie supertroopers :P |
| VanessaE | durrf2: FAIL |
| durrf2 | its a direct quote from the movie |
| durrf2 | its not a very secure password but its easy to tweak to become one |
| GrantM11235 | Anyone who hasn't seen it needs to go watch it right meow |
| durrf2 | theschnozzberriestastelikescottsberries |
| ccecil_ | durrf2, came from willie wonka |
| jeffdm_home | meow |
| VanessaE | durrf2: no, it and reply are from "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" |
| durrf2 | o |
| VanessaE | my reply* |
| nyt | lol |
| durrf2 | i dont know i fi ever seen either of those movies |
| durrf2 | i know what its about |
| nyt | supertroopers referenced it |
| Lizards|Work | snozzberry was a euphemism for a wiener |
| durrf2 | but til |
| nyt | thats why it was funny |
| crankylinuxuser | thats a skookum choocher |
| ccecil_ | wonka was a serial killer |
| crankylinuxuser | no ccecil_ , that CEREAL |
| durrf2 | what if willie wonka is actually like life of pi |
| crankylinuxuser | death to froot loops! |
| durrf2 | and its not actually kids |
| durrf2 | but something else |
| jammi | for phpbb sites and such, don't bother picking a good password and definitely don't pick anything you have somewhere important |
| durrf2 | phpbb |
| durrf2 | what year is this? |
| ccecil_ | crankylinuxuser, that was exactly how he responded when accused on the stand :) |
| Lizards|Work | jammi: like how you could just use the username "jay" and get full admin access to everything? |
| jammi | durrf2: there's still a shitload of online communities running on that shit, and still bots harvesting their users and probably using the sites as nodes in their botnets |
| crankylinuxuser | is the password "99bitchez" :P |
| durrf2 | lol |
| TheHexaCube | https://i.imgur.com/zBHci8L.png |
| TheHexaCube | tadaaaah |
| jammi | it's also a good idea to have a wildcard email domain |
| TheHexaCube | pleeenty of heatsink area now :> |
| jammi | then just register on the shitty sites like somescammysite.com@mywildcaremaildomain.com |
| jammi | and then it's easy to see when they've leaked |
| jammi | happens in no time on those php sites |
| durrf2 | or if you use gmail just do like youremail+WEBSITENAME@gmail.com |
| jammi | I don't trust google |
| durrf2 | i trust google too much |
| durrf2 | lol |
| Lizards|Work | i give google as much data as possible |
| Lizards|Work | they're my mobile carrier |
| crankylinuxuser | you dont have to, unfortunately. They still see almost all emails since responses contain previous. And only 1 party has to use it |
| jammi | and judging by the ads google gives me, google doesn't really know me |
| Lizards|Work | i'd have them as an ISP if they'd expand here |
| jammi | speaking of which, I'd need a better youtube ad filter, since that's where ads are leaking through at the moment |
| jammi | crankylinuxuser: I don't trust gmail users with anything confidential either |
| thews | https://i.imgur.com/QzvoGoY.gif |
| thews | https://i.imgur.com/ad1tMpY.gif |
| thews | jammi, what would be too confidential for gmail? |
| jammi | thews: "hi, how are you?" |
| durrf2 | i cant wait for the 2nd one |
| jammi | it'd indicate I know or share interests with the person |
| durrf2 | but the fake canadian accents........... |
| durrf2 | and the french from france instead of quebec??? |
| Raazeer | Meh, I'm puckered out again. I was planning to actually make a dent into getting an mqtt broker to run, but then my dns failed on me. |
| Raazeer | took me till two in the morning to fix it. |
| thews | jammi, that's why I refuse to use email |
| thews | insecure protocol |
| thews | ;-) |
| durrf2 | i dont even use my work email for anything |
| durrf2 | most of my email is fliers and receipts |
| durrf2 | lmao |
| thews | I think I'm gonna stop using tcp/ip |
| jammi | thews: well, it's kinda a surrogate for a proper notification system anyway |
| durrf2 | token ring networks only |
| jammi | not so much a person to person communications system anymore |
| Lizards|Work | i just stay offline entirely, no data leaks that way |
| thews | if gmail is a problem irc definitely is |
| thews | Lizards|Work, stay offline and wear a mask |
| thews | so you don't get noticed by google / facebook face recognition |
| jammi | 90% of its use is getting aliexpress package delivery status updates and clicky email address confirmations to sites registered on |
| jammi | at least that's basically what my inbox looks like |
| thews | https://www.corecompute.com/reprap/reprap_20170101.html |
| jammi | oh, and calendar invitation emails |
| thews | you got leaked |
| jammi | irc is basically public discussion anyway |
| Lizards|Work | i'll just get horrible facial scarring, so that my face doesn't match \my\ face |
| thews | Lizards|Work, gotta rescar every once in a while |
| thews | a lock only keeps honest people out |
| jammi | Lizards|Work: or just let one of those face transformation ai apps mangle your face enough that other ai's can't match it with your own face, but people do |
| Lizards|Work | or get surgical mods so that i have a nondescript face like emmett from teh lego movie |
| jammi | faceapp is good for that |
| jeffdm_h_ | gotta do surgery that changes your eye spacing and such |
| jammi | for instance, I *never* smile irl, or at least not getting such caught on camera |
| durrf2 | or like tom cruise from that future cop movie where they stop crimes befor ethey happen |
| durrf2 | i just get powerful IR leds installed in ym face |
| jammi | so I just select the "smile" filter there and post that image; face-matching apps don't match it with my real face |
| durrf2 | so that im blasting cameras with IR instead of being able to see my face |
| jammi | people could easily, beacuse they have imagination |
| TheHexaCube | you guys heard about that deepfakes stuff? |
| jammi | TheHexaCube: yes, and it's banned on reddit now |
| durrf2 | AI everything is scary |
| TheHexaCube | wait really? |
| jammi | browsed it to boredom one night |
| TheHexaCube | awww :( |
| jammi | got banned yesterday or the day before that or so |
| Lizards|Work | durrf2: minority report |
| TheHexaCube | where do I get my porn and nicholas cage movies from now? |
| durrf2 | yes thats the one |
| Lizards|Work | TheHexaCube: giphy |
| durrf2 | the non-porn ones are not banned |
| durrf2 | its just the porn one that got banned |
| jammi | ai stuff is going to get much weirder still |
| durrf2 | its being weaponized |
| GrantM11235 | durrf2: I'm pretty sure they also removed the SFW subreddits too though |
| durrf2 | and thats scary as fuck |
| jammi | some day, we'll have some imaginary ai friends we chat with like this, but we won't even know it |
| durrf2 | this whole room could be just AI |
| durrf2 | you are alone here |
| durrf2 | we are borg |
| Lizards|Work | i am locutus of borg |
| TheHexaCube | but porn aside, the fact that the image overlay works so amazingly well is... amazing :D |
| jammi | and they'll have super convincing backstories and identities and you can call them and so forth |
| jammi | but not meet them in irl |
| Raazeer | durrf2, who tells you the computer you sit at is real? Matrix baby! |
| GrantM11235 | Wait, are some of you guys human? |
| Raazeer | would explain a lot. |
| durrf2 | im not a matrix baby i was born in the real world |
| Raazeer | GrantM11235, not me. |
| TheHexaCube | weep boop |
| TheHexaCube | I'ma cube |
| Raazeer | durrf2, that's what YOU think. |
| Lizards|Work | durrf2: you got a belly button? |
| durrf2 | no i had it surgically removed |
| durrf2 | nobody can track me |
| Raazeer | durrf2, through your belly button? |
| durrf2 | not anymore, Raazeer |
| Raazeer | cia must be geting desperate. Next they're gonna track you through your arse hole. |
| jeffdm_h_ | Tom Scott talked about it and he claims he started working on the talk as a hypothetical in the future thing but it became real as it finished out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLaeBAkFAY |
| jeffdm_h_ | lectrocutus of Borg |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCLaeBAkFAY => Faceswapping, Unethical Videos, and Future Shock => 1 IRC mentions |
| jammi | Raazeer: it's as identifying as your iris or fingerprint or anything like that |
| jammi | so some day in the future it's included in the pre-flight checks |
| jeffdm_h_ | wow gthx was on the ball there |
| Raazeer | jeffdm_h_, I've had some business in the loony bin for a while, I met a man there who swore on a stack of bibles that his landlord fired microwaves at him to make his bowels move. |
| jeffdm_h_ | Microshits! |
| Raazeer | jammi, good thing there's very little reference material, unless cia hides cameras in toilet bowls now. |
| jeffdm_h_ | So now mortgage applications will require colonoscopy scans |
| Lizards|Work | colonic mapping |
| Raazeer | Now if I DO find a cam in my toilet bows, it MUST be cia, because not even in japan are there people sick enough to want to see THAT for carnal reasons. |
| ccecil_ | Raazeer, what if the landlord really was? |
| Raazeer | jeffdm_h_, we had to take shit from bankers long enough, so why not give them some? |
| jammi | Raazeer: they've hidden the scanners on airplane seats |
| reprapper | Fasted print switch ever ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_HpZpzlvA&feature=youtu.be |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_HpZpzlvA&feature=youtu.be => Filafarm Switch exchangebale bed system for 3D-printer + CR-10 => 1 IRC mentions |
| jammi | it's not like the thin layer of fabric on your clothes (or the seat) could fool their scanners |
| Raazeer | ccecil_, who am I to tell? He said his landlord also had him and the police bugged, because every time they turned up the equipmente was nowhere to be found. |
| Raazeer | jammi, so after tinfoil hats, it's now tinfoil butt plugs? |
| jammi | Raazeer: well, every day the past 15 years or so, or you're too late |
| Raazeer | don't let the conspiracy theorists hear that, they go for that kind of thing like a puppy goes for a slipper. |
| jammi | it's integrated in much of public seating everywhere by now |
| jammi | movie theathers, buses, trains, lobbys and so forth |
| Raazeer | jammi, I'll make my children wear tinfoil butt plugs everywhere from the day they're born then. |
| Raazeer | THey'l drop out of the system and become the rebels. |
| jammi | not park benches though, but who cares about hobos anyway |
| Raazeer | jammi, right, and who wants to look up their arses at that? |
| jammi | so that's the golden opportunity; become a hobo and avoid being a part of the system |
| Raazeer | jammi, also the whole affair explains why my chair gives me butt cramps. |
| durrf2 | reprapper: thats not even the fastest way to od it |
| reprapper | but the best ;) |
| durrf2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDXZUhoUJE this solution is awesome but not as elegant as this other one im trying to find |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDXZUhoUJE => Auto 3d print ejection system working 100% => 1 IRC mentions |
| durrf2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viy928RLsdU there you go this is my favourite one\ |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viy928RLsdU => MatterHackers Punch-Out! => 4 IRC mentions |
| lowrizzle | um |
| lowrizzle | ok. |
| lowrizzle | the punchout one is smarter than the trap door at least |
| lowrizzle | is automated print removal on a hobby machine really what the world needs though |
| willmore | mutley's not here, stop asking. :P |
| durrf2 | the trap door is so rad |
| durrf2 | its part of a print queue system |
| durrf2 | the 2d printer prints out the files details and who requested it etc |
| durrf2 | then the bed becomes that sheet |
| lowrizzle | and im sure it works 100% of the time on that really tiny test print |
| durrf2 | i have seen that system working with bigger prints in other videos |
| durrf2 | iirc its used at a makerspace |
| lowrizzle | just seems like the answer to a question nobody really had |
| lowrizzle | but if it works well i'm just being a hater |
| ccecil_ | lowrizzle, if it works bad you are still being a hater ;) |
| ccecil_ | but...it's all good...lol |
| TheHexaCube | hrrrrmpf so apparently I need a new haircut |
| jeffdm_work | Did you get stopped by the hair police? |
| TheHexaCube | yeah something like that |
| TheHexaCube | but two of my friends were telling me "dude you really need a real haircut" |
| TheHexaCube | sooo I guess there's something to it ;_; |
| ccecil_ | shave "conform" in the back |
| lowrizzle | or just shave it all off |
| durrf2 | i might be able to knock this print over and move it to start a new print |
| durrf2 | but i dont want to risk breaking anything |
| durrf2 | wheres a boxing glove when you need it |
| Raazeer | I'm off to bed. Anything I'd touch at this level of exhaustion would probably spontaneously combust. |
| Raazeer | see you friday. |
| lowrizzle | headbutt the print |
| lowrizzle | it hurts the buttee way worse than the butter |
| TheHexaCube | maaaan |
| TheHexaCube | turns out people in the automobile industry earn a shitton better than me :( |
| Lizards|Work | nobody wins with a headbutt |
| TheHexaCube | apparently each worker at audi gets a 6000€ bonus every year |
| thews | TheHexaCube, deepfakes made national news so reddit had to police it |
| jstevewhite | chuck norris wins with a head butt |
| TheHexaCube | that's literally half of what I make in a year :( |
| thews | I hadn't heard of it until national news |
| jstevewhite | thews: did they take deepfakes off reddit? |
| thews | jstevewhite, yeah |
| thews | and like 11 others |
| jstevewhite | interestingt |
| jstevewhite | can't put the genie back in the bottle |
| lowrizzle | you literally only make 12k eur a year? |
| lowrizzle | get off irc man! |
| jstevewhite | At least if you found a video there you KNEW it was fake. |
| lowrizzle | unless you're in school or something |
| TheHexaCube | lowrizzle: I'm in an apprenticeship |
| TheHexaCube | I (sadly) earn alot of money for my age |
| thews | https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/7/16982046/reddit-deepfakes-ai-celebrity-face-swap-porn-community-ban |
| lowrizzle | a professional often makes 10x that in a month |
| thews | https://www.reddit.com/r/fakeapp/ |
| TheHexaCube | and those 12k are pre-tax :P |
| lowrizzle | err makes that in a month haha |
| thews | TheHexaCube, it probably takes 6k a month to be a breadwinner in a family and be able to retire |
| TheHexaCube | realistically I think I end up with about 10500€/year now that I got a pay increase \o/ |
| lowrizzle | thews: in major cities it takes 12k a month for that |
| TheHexaCube | and about 11500€ next year |
| TheHexaCube | thanks to my workers union :> |
| jstevewhite | thews I wonder if they'll stop folks from posting, say, Simpsons porn now? |
| thews | lowrizzle, for sure |
| thews | just saying in his country |
| TheHexaCube | buuut yeah... most people my age (as in, in an apprenticeship) make much less than I do |
| TheHexaCube | average is about 400-500€/month |
| thews | jstevewhite, the nicholas cage sfw ones are pretty weird |
| thews | jstevewhite, so I can sort of see where they're coming from |
| thews | the never gonna give you up clip I saw looked just like him for part of it |
| lowrizzle | them removing deepfakes just put the concept on more peoples radars |
| TheHexaCube | but according to my boss, if I work a few years in on-site assembly I can build a house afterwards |
| jstevewhite | oh, there have been a couple of vids I've seen that if no one had told you they were fake, you'd never have known it. |
| lowrizzle | i get why they do it, and i find the whole thing distasteful, but they just streisan'd it |
| jstevewhite | I think it's far more significant than fake porn |
| jstevewhite | I mean, celebrity porn is fairly boring, even when it's not fake |
| lowrizzle | it is, it's the potential for your likeness to be used in any way anyone wants |
| lowrizzle | solution is to live in a cave |
| jstevewhite | but the ultimate idea is crazy |
| jstevewhite | 2 scenarios: |
| jstevewhite | "Check out this video of Obama shooting a young mother in the face with a 12 gauge" |
| jstevewhite | and |
| lowrizzle | i have a 4gpu deep dream server i built but i only used it to process a couple vids |
| jstevewhite | "Of course that wasn't me in that pee tape. DEEP FAKE!" |
| lowrizzle | i should figure out a better use for it |
| thews | lowrizzle, probably best to sell it |
| durrf2 | bitcoin |
| thews | nicehash |
| thews | but not anymore really |
| lowrizzle | i can't |
| lowrizzle | its lab hardware |
| thews | ahh |
| TheHexaCube | by the way, why the heck did bitcoins drop so much? |
| lowrizzle | i cant mine on it either |
| lowrizzle | TheHexaCube: fake currency |
| thews | TheHexaCube, the better question is why did it go up so much |
| TheHexaCube | thews: fair enough :D |
| TheHexaCube | i wonder if It goes back up |
| TheHexaCube | probably will |
| thews | it'll go up and down |
| thews | a correction to 6k would put it kind of normal |
| thews | but it's actually less valuable than it was years ago |
| thews | being able to use it anyways |
| thews | less adoption now |
| VanessaE | the hell with bitcoin. use litecoin :) |
| thews | businesses tried it, it didn't work out, they abandoned it |
| Lizards|Work | the hell with all those, everybody buy garlicoin |
| Lizards|Work | buy buy buy |
| thews | why did it go up after being a failure, get rich quick schemes |
| thews | buy my garlicoin |
| thews | :D |
| lowrizzle | considering litecoin's valuation basically relies on bitcoin i don't know that i'd suggest it over btc |
| lowrizzle | or any coins for that matter |
| jeffdm_h_ | dogecoin |
| lowrizzle | DQ sundae tokens maybe |
| jeffdm_h_ | ^^ |
| jstevewhite | when a currency's value fluctuates so much, it's not useful as a currency. |
| thews | it's a pump and dump investment |
| jeffdm_h_ | The transaction fees also put a kibosh to the idea of currency |
| thews | not a currency |
| jstevewhite | who wants to get paid for something in a currency that might suddenly be worth half as much tomorrow? Who wants to BUY something with a currency that might be worth twice as much tomorrow |
| superkuh | Me. |
| thews | I've taken advantage of it plenty |
| Lizards|Work | yeah it's a commodity, buy mine |
| thews | but I won't lie about what it is |
| superkuh | I feel like most people who complain don't actually use bitcoin and are just sour grapes about speculation not working out. |
| jstevewhite | claims like that are unfalsifiable. |
| superkuh | Sure, transaction fees were bad for a bit. I stopped using it a couple months. |
| thews | superkuh, or people stating the obvious |
| Valduare_ | the “way” bit coin is now its ridiculous |
| superkuh | Now it's fine. |
| jstevewhite | but I was in, was out, was in, was out... :D |
| jstevewhite | made money every time. Not sour about it at all |
| superkuh | Made money? Okay. But did you use it. |
| superkuh | Like, I pay for my VPS every month, have for years. |
| jstevewhite | Sure, for a while |
| lowrizzle | that's stupid |
| jstevewhite | bought one of my video cards with it :D |
| thews | I used it when people accepted it |
| lowrizzle | i pay $2.10 a month in usd for a vps |
| thews | they don't now |
| lowrizzle | the prive never fluctuates |
| jstevewhite | lowrizzle: ++++ that's my point |
| lowrizzle | you may be paying a burst value one month vs the next |
| lowrizzle | and you're saying we're dumbn |
| lowrizzle | you 'use' bitcoin wrong |
| lowrizzle | RRRRAGE |
| jstevewhite | If you pay a fixed BTC price, you're getting screwed when it goes up in value. If you pay a BTC adjusted for dollar value, you're just paying in dollars. |
| lowrizzle | YOU STUPID GRRRRRRR |
| lowrizzle | mcrib: you wouldn't like me when i'm angry |
| mcrib | lowrizzle: It's like when it makes you angry :p. |
| thews | create hype and sell |
| thews | create panic and buy |
| Lizards|Work | make crazy lowball offers |
| Lizards|Work | see if you get any takers |
| lowrizzle | serisouly, paying for your groceries using something that volitile is dumb |
| lowrizzle | i did it all of 2014 and now i'm out quite a bit of what should be wealth |
| lowrizzle | its not 'using it right' it's burning money |
| lowrizzle | you don't buy, pan for, or mine a gold nugget then go to the movies with it |
| lowrizzle | jeez |
| thews | lowrizzle, I don't think it's useful as a replacement for a wealth standard either |
| tjb1 | lowrizzle: its on the way |
| lowrizzle | nice |
| tjb1 | I think I'm going to add these as well http://openbuildspartstore.com/90-degree-joining-plate/ |
| tjb1 | Well not from them because the price is ridiculous |
| Cyber_Akuma | I need to add a second hinge to my y axis... |
| Cyber_Akuma | "Dear (my e-mail). Our systems dettect unaothorized payment with your appleid. Then we notify" |
| Cyber_Akuma | Yup, looks legit.... |
| GrantM11235 | Better give them your password so that they can sort it out |
| Cyber_Akuma | And my credit card too so theyh can fconfirm my account |
| VanessaE | and your tax id/social security number, of course |
| Stoob | Delivered -- haaaa yess my 10kg of filament has arrived |
| Stoob | ACTION suddenly panics whether he actually got 1.75mm and not 3mm |
| Valduare_ | 2.45mm! |
| tjb1 | lowrizzle: did your gearbest item ship from US? |
| Cyber_Akuma | It's 6.§8 ll |
| tjb1 | Looks like mine is coming from Ontario California? |
| Cyber_Akuma | Shoulden't have ordered it from Doesntexistisstan |
| lowrizzle | tjb1: mine shipped from china and was delivered by USPS |
| tjb1 | mine is fedex....smartpost |
| tjb1 | ugh |
| tjb1 | smartpost needs to die |
| lowrizzle | thats where fedex handles air and USPS handles the last mile? |
| Ameisen | [15:10:10] <tjb1> I think I'm going to add these as well http://openbuildspartstore.com/90-degree-joining-plate/ |
| Ameisen | why not just go buy a piece of aluminum flat stock |
| Ameisen | and drill holes in it |
| tjb1 | its $12 for 5 of them on amazon |
| tjb1 | not worth the time |
| tjb1 | lowrizzle: yes, probably as slow as coming from china... |
| Cyber_Akuma | Any easy way I can re-wind filament that I wound off the spool in an effort to un-tangle it? |
| Cyber_Akuma | Damn thing cut in half, now half is on the psool and the other half is loose and tangld |
| TheHexaCube | mhmpf finally ported all my designs to the new kicad file 'system' T.T |
| Ameisen | I want to find an accurate 3d positive model of an xbox one controller :| |
| Ameisen | so I can print better grips for my wife |
| durrf2 | thingiverse has shells i think |
| bill2or3 | sguru? |
| bill2or3 | suguru? |
| bill2or3 | hrm |
| durrf2 | i love sugru |
| Ameisen | the shells I saw, when I tried using them to difference against a cube |
| Ameisen | the cube doesn't fit the controller |
| Ameisen | so it's not precise |
| durrf2 | what |
| Ameisen | used shell in blender as a difference against a cube. |
| Ameisen | Printed cube |
| Ameisen | Cube doesn't fit controller. |
| Ameisen | Ergo, shell isn't an exact match for controller. |
| Valduare | hmm |
| Valduare | printer just hung middle of big print |
| Cyber_Akuma | Didn't take into account maybe it's your thickness settings, inaccuracies in the print, or the material expanded when printed? |
| Valduare | heatbed is cool and hotend is cool now |
| Valduare | but screen is frozen encoder frozen |
| Ameisen | Cyber_Akuma - it didn't really fit at all |
| Cyber_Akuma | I once had a model I cut into four pieces |
| Ameisen | angles were completely off |
| Ameisen | they LOOK close when you look at the model and the controller |
| Ameisen | but in reality they're quite different |
| Cyber_Akuma | I even put the four pieces together in 3d modeling apps, they all perfectly fit |
| Cyber_Akuma | when printed, they didn't fit at ALL |
| durrf2 | https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2504154 |
| gthx | https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2504154 => Electronic Pattern Xbox One Controller Faceplate by Gibby707 => 1 IRC mentions |
| durrf2 | i mean... |
| Ameisen | that's the top faceplate, anywho |
| Ameisen | I need the bottom and sides |
| Ameisen | there is a scan of one that fits together |
| Ameisen | but the print doesn't match my controller at all |
| Ameisen | makes me think it's a different xb1 controller they scanned |
| Ameisen | since there's more than one kind |
| tjb1 | Cyber_Akuma: the best thing to do is throw that filament away |
| tjb1 | I hate loose filament, never buying it again |
| TheHexaCube | hah |
| TheHexaCube | https://imgur.com/gallery/pPXZH |
| Ameisen | just tried fitting it again |
| Ameisen | the angle is completely wrong near the controller itself |
| Ameisen | I think they scanned an S controller |
| Valduare | so I had a print fail 19 hour print |
| Valduare | going to attempt to modify the gcode to restart the print job |
| tjb1 | hello LoH |
| LoH | hello tjb1 |
| tjb1 | Enjoy the falcon heavy launch? |
| LoH | Didn't watch it; too busy at work |
| lowrizzle | phil ken heavy? |
| lowrizzle | i'd love to see footage of the center booster's failure to land |
| Cyber_Akuma | I think this other filament I used might be too brittle >.< |
| Lizards|Work | lowrizzle: me too |
| durrf2 | lowrizzle: blooper reel must be being prepared |
| Cyber_Akuma | Hmm..... should I print my 3D Scanners in PLA or PETG.... PLA is "stronger"... but it can flat out shatter when it breaks, while PETG has some flexibility.... |
| durrf2 | are you going to be scanning exploding bombs or soemthing? why would the scanner shatter? |
| lowrizzle | haha |
| lowrizzle | maybe he's really clumsy and drops shit nonstop |
| lowrizzle | in which case you should invest in nerf |
| Lizards|Work | nah, he's not me |
| jeffdm_home | what 3d scanner |
| Cyber_Akuma | I meant if the bed is heavy |
| Cyber_Akuma | I actually have the kits of two, haven't printed the parts for them yet. ..... well, I did print the parts for one, but it was on a crappy kickstarter propitery printer so I want to re-print them |
| Valduare | hows it going LoH any news with slic3r |
| Valduare | new stuff? |
| Cyber_Akuma | Atlas 3D and Ciclops 3d |
| LoH | Valduare: I've been extremely busy with work |
| Valduare | aye it seems |
| Valduare | havnt seen ya in months |
| Lizards|Work | yeh LoH how am i supposed to troll you if you're too busy? |
| LoH | Lizards|Work: You'll just have to troll yourself. |
| Lizards|Work | trust me bro, plenty of that has been happening |
| durrf2 | he trolls himself so hard he called himself shreck the other day |
| durrf2 | wait thats an ogre |
| Lizards|Work | shrekt |
| Lizards|Work | grind your bones for bread |
| jeffdm_home | Atlas and Cyclops scanners are shit |
| Lizards|Work | spoilers: everything is shit |
| lowrizzle | scanners is that movie where dudes make other dudes heads explode |
| lowrizzle | be careful |
| TheHexaCube | this is my swamp! |
| Lizards|Work | donkey! |
| Lizards|Work | welcome to duluck what a perfect town |
| Lizards|Work | and we have some rules, let us lay them down |
| jeffdm_home | Really, the dual fixed line scanners have major blind spots for concave geometry and gaps. |
| Lizards|Work | don't make waves, stand in line |
| Lizards|Work | and you'll get along fine |
| SaldoT_ | which are the best designs of extruders for geared stepper motors? |
| Lizards|Work | duluck is a perfect town |
| Lizards|Work | perfect place, i think |
| LoH | SaldoT_: I have one I like |
| Lizards|Work | is place |
| Lizards|Work | please keep off of the grass |
| SaldoT_ | LoH, link please? =) |
| Lizards|Work | shine your shoes, wipe your... face |
| LoH | SaldoT_: looking |
| SaldoT_ | if its on thingiverse/youmagine that is |
| Lizards|Work | three cheers for autism? |
| LoH | SaldoT_: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1574012 |
| gthx | https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1574012 => T1 Gearhead Extruder + 2040 Vslot Plate by lenoxjoseph => 1 IRC mentions |
| LoH | SaldoT_: or https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:35777 |
| gthx | https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:35777 => Gearhead Extruder by TrinityLabs => 1 IRC mentions |
| jeffdm_home | Those gearbox motors add a lot of mass |
| SaldoT_ | LoH, does it have a quick release? |
| SaldoT_ | jeffdm_home, running bowden on a delta so doesnt really matter for me. =) |
| jeffdm_home | fair enough |
| LoH | SaldoT_: it does if you print a different idler |
| tjb1 | LoH: do you still use an E1x? |
| LoH | tjb1: it's all vslot now |
| tjb1 | oooh |
| tjb1 | any new pictures? |
| LoH | tjb1: but yeah the basic design layout hasn't changed |
| LoH | tjb1: no idea, I haven't been working on it for months |
| tjb1 | some of the parts on mine are breaking so I ordered a tevo black widow |
| LoH | tjb1: I did build a delta from shelf track |
| tjb1 | sick of having printers with printed parts |
| tjb1 | LoH: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/412zsXXAo1L._SY355_.jpg ? |
| LoH | tjb1: yes |
| LoH | hexydelta? |
| gthx | hexydelta is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WfZqrc_fqnzAxBxXLhqNs8tGxwsVA40P9vDyS2RE1KI/edit?usp=sharing and is also designed by arTaoss and is also https://goo.gl/photos/xABkCxKbiFsE9YLZ9 and is also https://github.com/lordofhyphens/hexydelta-solid |
| LoH | tjb1: ^ |
| tjb1 | any completed pictures or videos? |
| LoH | for the hexy? Yeah |
| Lizards|Work | mr burr disapparated from the internets, eh? |
| LoH | https://github.com/lordofhyphens/hexydelta-solid/wiki |
| lowrizzle | whatty what what |
| LoH | I've been trying to think of a better car solution with the shelf track but nothing's really come to mind |
| tjb1 | make one that climbs down the slots lol |
| LoH | https://imgur.com/a/0z6ZQ |
| LoH | the original design concept was araToss's |
| Lizards|Work | that guy |
| tjb1 | interesting |
| Lizards|Work | he's on an adventure too nowadays |
| LoH | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2awUG3p0Jw |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2awUG3p0Jw => 3D Printing things for friends => 1 IRC mentions |
| LoH | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCn6_nwzwYE |
| gthx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCn6_nwzwYE => HexyDelta G32 probe test, magnetic arms => 1 IRC mentions |
| tjb1 | you cant use shelf track for the uprights and then use carbon fiber magnet arms |
| LoH | sure you can |
| LoH | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLplZJOOvB0mwnGIg_ZjJMosqb3opEx-Sh there |
| tjb1 | you need to use like screwdrivers or something |
| tjb1 | highlighters stacked together |
| LoH | tjb1: it's got a jhead in it too |
| tjb1 | looks like a bear to calibrate |
| LoH | eh, smoothie |
| LoH | replace hotend with probe, it gets it pretty decent |
| LoH | the original arms didn't have enough range of motion |
| Cyber_Akuma | https://imgur.com/a/gB95U <--- Took WAY too many attempts to get the stringing down >.< |
| LoH | really the only complaint I have about it is wear on the cars |
| durrf2 | hey look at the bright side |
| durrf2 | now you have spares that requirre just a bit of sanding |
| Cyber_Akuma | They aren't for me |
| NowhereMan | take an exacto knife to the best of them and be happy you got the stringing down, Cyber_Akuma |
| NowhereMan | PETG I take it? |
| Cyber_Akuma | PLA |
| Cyber_Akuma | Might have just gotten old, or moisture, or both |
| Cyber_Akuma | It was unpackadged since late 2015 or early 2016 or so |
| NowhereMan | ahhhh, that is as stringy as PETG |
| NowhereMan | time to toast that stuff |
| Cyber_Akuma | I have a lot of filament I bought in 2015 |
| NowhereMan | that is terrible for PLA |
| Cyber_Akuma | But most if it is back in it's original box with that moisture absorbing packet thing |
| Cyber_Akuma | even if it was opened |
| NowhereMan | vacuum seal some of it |
| NowhereMan | I love my wife Food Saver |
| NowhereMan | I wonder if her food dehydrator would work on filament? |
| NowhereMan | it's big enough for the rolls I have...... |
| Cyber_Akuma | i wish that filament dryer wasn't freaking $100+ |
| DJHenjin | yeah, just make sure it doesn't get too hot |
| NowhereMan | pla must not take much heat |
| NowhereMan | which filament dryer are you talking about, Cyber_Akuma? |
| r0n0x | any idea how to find a good cheap laser cutter other than finding a second hand one which probs needs a new laser? |
| DJHenjin | new laser tubes can be had for pretty cheap |
| NowhereMan | I got a k40 for $350 shipped recently.... |
| DJHenjin | it's the electronics that get expensive when buying a laser |
| NowhereMan | so if you get a used one for $200 you arent't saving much $ if it needs a tube |
| DJHenjin | you would save about $100, i've seen lots of tubes for $40 shipped |
| r0n0x | i think i need about 60-80W |
| NowhereMan | never seen them that cheap |
| r0n0x | dang though only $350 |
| NowhereMan | then you need to spend over $1000 |
| r0n0x | :( |
| NowhereMan | the 350 is for what they call a 40 watt laser that is really like <35 watts |
| NowhereMan | 8" x 12" cut area too... |
| r0n0x | soz, 50-60W |
| r0n0x | i wanna be able to cut 10mm stuff if i need to |
| NowhereMan | better off with 80 watts then.... |
| NowhereMan | 100 watts even better |
| NowhereMan | what material will you cut? |
| r0n0x | but doesnt the price increase exponentially? |
| NowhereMan | it does, unfortunately |
| r0n0x | MDF |
| NowhereMan | ahhhh |
| r0n0x | and acrylic if i can find it cheap |
| r0n0x | no particular color tho |
| NowhereMan | you will need an 80mm diameter tube to do 80 watts |
| r0n0x | if that matters |
| NowhereMan | it does matter |
| r0n0x | whats the best acrylic color then? black? |
| NowhereMan | what's your budget? |
| r0n0x | dont know |
| r0n0x | i dont want to have to buy another cutter for a LONG time |
| DJHenjin | there's a 150 watt machine on ebay for 7 grand |
| NowhereMan | do a lot of research on them then |
| DJHenjin | and there's another on there of the same for like 2 grand |
| NowhereMan | that's not bad for 150 watts |
| NowhereMan | also look at fiber lasers |
| r0n0x | so i wanna find out where the good value for money sits on a desktop sized cutter that can do 6mm normal |
| DJHenjin | though that one I would be skeptical of |
| NowhereMan | bit different than co2 lasers |
| r0n0x | but i might pay more to get the ability for 10mm |
| NowhereMan | I spent a lot of time learning about current laser tech and models for a cheap ass one |
| NowhereMan | you should do the same |
| NowhereMan | make sure you buy what you need |
| r0n0x | i couldnt justify paying double however for a marginal increase in power |
| jeffdm_home | Has anyone done a replacement Arduino bootloader that doesn't reboot on USB serial connect? |
| NowhereMan | you might be able to hack a 60 watt tube into a cheap ass K40 laser with some work |
| TheHexaCube | jeffdm_home: I think you can solve that via hardware |
| TheHexaCube | iirc it requires a cap between two pins or something? |
| r0n0x | what price should i expect for 10mm capability? |
| jeffdm_home | Like throwing out the board and getting a better MCU? |
| NowhereMan | I bought one with a cover on the end so I can add a longer tube, and there are 3d printed parts for that |
| r0n0x | so, 60W laser |
| TheHexaCube | https://playground.arduino.cc/Main/DisablingAutoResetOnSerialConnection |
| NowhereMan | a lot depends on the material, but you will need air assist and likely a Z life mechanism |
| NowhereMan | so you can move the focus into the piece, or you get angled cuts |
| r0n0x | i never considered the option for angled cuts |
| r0n0x | didnt know that was a thing |
| TheHexaCube | just get a trumpf machine :P |
| TheHexaCube | it doesn't just lasercut |
| TheHexaCube | it also CNC bends and punches for you :P |
| NowhereMan | picture a laser beam, it is cone shaped |
| TheHexaCube | it may also do your taxes |
| tjb1 | Tell me there is a way to create Raid 1 without emptying the drive? |
| LoH | tjb1: nope |
| tjb1 | :( |
| LoH | tjb1: especially at a hardware level |
| NowhereMan | I can't do that, tjb1 |
| icecube45 | seen crunch* |
| gthx | crunch was last seen in #reprap 2 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes, 30 seconds ago saying 'pearl blue is bacl'. |
| gthx | crunch_ was last seen in #dlp3dprinting 42 days, 14 hours, 40 minutes, 53 seconds ago saying 'did u buy 3?'. |
| gthx | crunchbutbetter was last seen in #reprap 333 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, 6 seconds ago saying 'eyyyyyy'. |
| r0n0x | so, would a 60W cutter do MDF and acrylic 10mm? |
| NowhereMan | perhaps, r0n0x |
| r0n0x | :O |
| LoH | r0n0x: speed is another question too |
| NowhereMan | a big "perhaps" |
| r0n0x | doesnt matter speed |
| r0n0x | 10mm is for load bearing parts |
| tjb1 | this continuous scrolling garbage on thingiverse needs to end |
| NowhereMan | can you use a cnc mill instead? |
| r0n0x | the one i have in mind is like $5k |
| r0n0x | i wont get a $2k one in the middle |
| Lizards|Work | tjb1: it's web2.5 bruh, ain't goin nowhere |
| r0n0x | and i wanna cut small stuff too so yeah |
| TheHexaCube | I agree with NowhereMan man |
| TheHexaCube | a cnc router might be nicer than a laser cutter for that sorta stuff |
| tjb1 | Lizards|Work: https://www.thingiverse.com/groups/thingiverse/forums/general/topic:17578 |
| TheHexaCube | thick MDF and plastics |
| tjb1 | a fix for it wow |
| r0n0x | which needs more power? mdf or acrylic? |
| NowhereMan | you can get a belt driven cnc router for about $1000 |
| tjb1 | oh there is even a setting to turn off continuous scroll on thingiverse lol |
| Lizards|Work | :] |
| TheHexaCube | NowhereMan: you can even get a ballscrew driven one for that much |
| NowhereMan | they each cut differently |
| r0n0x | again, i dont want to get 2 cncś |
| NowhereMan | even better, BALLscrews |
| r0n0x | different how? |
| NowhereMan | do you need sharp inside corners on your parts? |
| TheHexaCube | nevermind, not $1000 |
| TheHexaCube | but more like $2000 |
| r0n0x | on the 10mm stuff, no |
| NowhereMan | sounds more right... |
| TheHexaCube | https://de.aliexpress.com/item/Newest-and-high-tech-USB-mini-cnc-router-8060Z-USB1500W-mini-cnc-milling-machine-for-hard/32624892143.html |
| TheHexaCube | buuuut |
| Lizards|Work | ur a b utt |
| TheHexaCube | you can also do aluminum with those |
| NowhereMan | 80cmx60cm on that router, not bad |
| r0n0x | again, im buying a real CNC |
| r0n0x | i dont want 2 |
| NowhereMan | uh |
| TheHexaCube | r0n0x: sorry i overread that, what do you see as a 'real' CNC? (just curious, really) |
| NowhereMan | you can't have only one cnc machine |
| NowhereMan | get realistic now r0n0x |
| r0n0x | able to mill steel |
| TheHexaCube | r0n0x: also to prevent confusion, it'd be nice if you said 'cnc mill/router/whatever' |
| NowhereMan | a mill != router.... |
| TheHexaCube | just as a heads up, a 3d printer too is a cnc :P |
| r0n0x | whats the difference? |
| NowhereMan | each machine has diff capabilities and uses |
| r0n0x | between mill and router |
| TheHexaCube | mill is HEAVY and BIG |
| TheHexaCube | but has a smaller milling area |
| NowhereMan | and used to cut ferrous metal |
| TheHexaCube | a router is meant to cut large sheets |
| NowhereMan | non-ferrous material |
| TheHexaCube | NowhereMan: well in *theory* a router too could cut steel :P |
| r0n0x | im getting a mill |
| NowhereMan | aluminum is like really dense hardwood |
| NowhereMan | the problem there is a router spins the cutter way too fast for steel |
| r0n0x | just to clarify, 99% of what i wanna cut is <6mm |
| TheHexaCube | oh right, there's that |
| TheHexaCube | though to be honest I haven't learned about correct chip loads and feeds so I don't quite know what too many RPM do to a endmill/workpiece |
| r0n0x | the ability to do 10mm is nice but if im spending way too much for that, no point |
| TheHexaCube | I guess it'll like... not cut properly? |
| NowhereMan | I think you should do a lot of research on the laser part and find out what machine will do the size material you need, and if it is too $$ look at routers |
| Spirit532 | r0n0x, sounds like you want a router |
| r0n0x | if i had to flip something and get shitty edges for a 10mm load bearing part i can live with that |
| NowhereMan | it'll dull the cutter fast |
| Spirit532 | what do you want to make? |
| Spirit532 | <6mm sounds like sheets |
| NowhereMan | it sure is sounding like a router would suit you better than a laser |
| r0n0x | nothing bigger than 30x30cm |
| Spirit532 | getting a CNC mill that will do 30mm in Y is going to bite you in the ass |
| r0n0x | that i can immediately think of anyway |
| Spirit532 | in terms of price |
| Spirit532 | 30cm* |
| NowhereMan | you could build a nice router for 30x30 cheaper than a 80 watt laser.... |
| r0n0x | i know |
| r0n0x | as i said, i found a mill |
| Spirit532 | show it to us |
| r0n0x | no |
| r0n0x | the mill is for steel and alu, not MDF |
| Spirit532 | good luck, have fun. |
| r0n0x | im not interested in a router |
| NowhereMan | why not? |
| r0n0x | because almost everything i want to cut is just stuff impractical to print on my reprap |
| NowhereMan | I got the laser to cut scroll saw parts and picture engraving |
| Spirit532 | he wants to mill 6mm sheet steel |
| Spirit532 | 30x30cm in size |
| r0n0x | no i dont |
| Spirit532 | that is not a cheap endeavor |
| NowhereMan | ^ |
| TheHexaCube | i think the only applications a laser really works well on is either very thin stuff that's too soft to cut (like paper, leather, kapton) |
| TheHexaCube | or if you need really thin details you can't do with an endmill |
| Spirit532 | a laser cutter will NOT do anything steel-related under 500-900W |
| r0n0x | i want to cut MDF and acrylic which might be 300mm long in the longest dimension |
| Spirit532 | then you don't need a mill. |
| Spirit532 | you want a router. |
| NowhereMan | exactly, the sharp inside corners are better cut on a laser if you can |
| TheHexaCube | Spirit532: really, just 500W? |
| NowhereMan | otherwise a router or a mill is what you need |
| TheHexaCube | Spirit532: what kinda laser? pulsed? |
| Spirit532 | 500W CW. |
| r0n0x | i dont want to cut alu sheet or steel sheet |
| Spirit532 | okay, then you want a router. |
| r0n0x | which is why i dont want a router |
| Spirit532 | you don't want a mill. |
| intranick | phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range |
| Spirit532 | you want a router. |
| TheHexaCube | Spirit532: huh, interesting... I thought you'd need muuuch moar powah |
| NowhereMan | a router cuts MDF and acrylic very well |
| Spirit532 | TheHexaCube, we're still talking ~1-3mm tops |
| TheHexaCube | then again a 500W laser probably costs several thousand USD already |
| NowhereMan | aluminum on occasion |
| Spirit532 | correct |
| TheHexaCube | well when do you need more than 3mm steel anyways :P |
| r0n0x | how does a router compare to a laser cutter in speed and precision/accuracy |
| Spirit532 | it doesn't. |
| Spirit532 | apples to oranges |
| NowhereMan | it depends on material being cut and the machine itself |
| Spirit532 | and the application |
| Spirit532 | a laser cutter is basically binary |
| Spirit532 | cut or no cut |
| Spirit532 | plus or minus some engraving |
| NowhereMan | not totally |
| TheHexaCube | a router is more like.... wooooooononononSNAP |
| TheHexaCube | :P |
| NowhereMan | people are doing some nice greyscale engraving with lasers |
| durrf2 | i have some lasercut puzzles that have various levels of etching into them |
| Spirit532 | which is why I said engraving |
| durrf2 | i assume they are lasercut |
| Spirit532 | >_> |
| r0n0x | ok, let me put this another way, i want a laser cutter and would sooner kill myself than buy a router before getting a mill |
| NowhereMan | check out the work this guy does with a laser: https://www.picengrave.com/Gallery.htm |
| Spirit532 | you sound like you have no clue what you're doing r0n0x |
| Spirit532 | and no clue what you want |
| NowhereMan | yeah, this is not supposed to be emotionally based decisions |
| NowhereMan | you need to buy the type of machine that will do the work you need |
| NowhereMan | hell, you could cut your parts with a pocketknife if you were fucking nuts |
| TheHexaCube | ACTION lasercuts durrf2 |
| durrf2 | :( sometimes i dont use the most pratical tool for the job |
| NowhereMan | don't we all.... |
| durrf2 | i once needed a holder thing for something and instead of opening up f360 and designing a part i just cut a print in half, glued it together and drilled a hole in it |
| durrf2 | lmao |
| NowhereMan | you should do a lot of research, r0n0x, and then you can get the right machine for your needs |
| lowrizzle | NowhereMan: picengrave is neat |
| TheHexaCube | durrf2: if it looks stupid, but works, it ain't stupid :P |
| NowhereMan | I love that guy's work too, lowrizzle |
| durrf2 | no theres some stupid shit that works but its stupid |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/tlP4mBpXRTBJX6qb2 |
| lowrizzle | i prefer dickengrave though |
| lowrizzle | ;) |
| lowrizzle | https://photos.app.goo.gl/DOGLv0mRMocQsUjD3 |
| TheHexaCube | *urge to roast siderala rises* |
| NowhereMan | this was done with a diode laser: https://www.picengrave.com/Gallery%20Page/Gallery%20Pictures/7-13-2015/3D-2.jpg |
| lowrizzle | k40 almost made it right through the stainless |
| durrf2 | that hardly even looks like dog food |
| siderala | go fuck urself |
| durrf2 | who would make packaging like that |
| lowrizzle | durrf2: it costs more than most human food |
| durrf2 | looks like it might taste better then most too |
| lowrizzle | my dog eats better than most humans |
| NowhereMan | it just might, durrf2 |
| r0n0x | aside from speed, are laser cutters simply inferior to routers? |
| NowhereMan | i know that the babies used to eat the dog food a lot |
| lowrizzle | r0n0x: they do two toally different things |
| NowhereMan | no r0n0x, they are just very different machines |
| r0n0x | in what way? |
| NowhereMan | one uses a laser |
| r0n0x | besides the obvious |
| lowrizzle | one uses radiation |
| NowhereMan | the other uses a cutter |
| lowrizzle | one uses a spinning endmill? |
| TheHexaCube | NowhereMan: rofl ++ |
| lowrizzle | fuckin laser radiation man |
| durrf2 | "but they both cut stuff" but so does scissors |
| NowhereMan | my mother raised pomeranians and they'd growl and bark when the carpet munchers got into the dog food bowl |
| durrf2 | some things are easier to cut with a knife then they are with scissors! |
| NowhereMan | and both machine can riun your day fast if you aren't careful |
| Spirit532 | he has no idea what he's doing at all |
| NowhereMan | we are trying to help that, Spirit532 |
| Spirit532 | it's blatantly obvious how a LASER, CUTTER, is different from a ROUTER |
| durrf2 | i hardly ever know what im doing |
| Spirit532 | a laser cutter cuts |
| durrf2 | a laser cutter cuts lasers |
| Spirit532 | either straight through, not at all, or just engraves a bit |
| NowhereMan | fuck it all, he really needs a waterjet! |
| Spirit532 | a laser cutter has no depth axis |
| Spirit532 | a router has 3 axes |
| durrf2 | i want a waterjet just because i want to cut shit in slices |
| Spirit532 | X, Y, and Z |
| durrf2 | can it have more? |
| Spirit532 | yes |
| Spirit532 | usually up to 6 |
| Spirit532 | TheHexaCube can testify :P |
| TheHexaCube | it can have even more if you count the axes involved for tool changes :P |
| NowhereMan | a rotary axis is very useful for engraving on a laser |
| Spirit532 | shhh |
| NowhereMan | I'd love to start seeing home built waterjets though |
| TheHexaCube | our motor winding machine has 12 axes :D |
| durrf2 | NowhereMan: i have seen some |
| NowhereMan | nice |
| durrf2 | using powerwashers |
| lowrizzle | ghetto genie gives you 3 axes |
| durrf2 | just strap a powerwasher to a cnc |
| durrf2 | boom |
| durrf2 | home made watercutter |
| NowhereMan | I saw one or two, but primitive machines at this stage |
| durrf2 | oh you gotta make the nozzle smaller too |
| NowhereMan | be nice to see them at the 3d printer level of 10 years ago |
| NowhereMan | not sure if that will ever happen though |
| NowhereMan | but CNC machinery is getting more and more commonplace now |
| durrf2 | its not something that everyone needs |
| NowhereMan | it's GREAT |
| durrf2 | lol |
| durrf2 | we are looking to hire someone at work and one of the potential hires has printers and a cnc |
| NowhereMan | a lot of small biz could use one |
| durrf2 | i hope we hire him :) |
| NowhereMan | your job do a lot of cnc type stuff? |
| NowhereMan | mfg? |
| gthx | mfg is omfg and is also http://www.mfg.com/ |
| durrf2 | nope, not at all |
| durrf2 | lol |
| durrf2 | im a computer tech, this is all hobbyist shit |
| NowhereMan | ahhhhh |
| DJHenjin | he just wants someone to talk shop with while at work |
| NowhereMan | I get that |
| durrf2 | but id love to have someone to talk to printers about with at work |
| durrf2 | fuck i murdered the grammar there |
| durrf2 | lol DJHenjin gets me |
| lowrizzle | i got coworkers into 3d printing for that reason ahha |
| NowhereMan | nice |
| lowrizzle | i made a bunch of them go with me to the work 3d printer lab to learn the basics, then a few got their own |
| Lizards|Work | i'm postprocessing some glasses frames i pritned |
| durrf2 | lol |
| Lizards|Work | gonna bring those in and ask for lenses cut |
| durrf2 | YOU FUCKERS ARE COMING WITH ME. FOLLOW ME. |
| durrf2 | NOW. |
| Lizards|Work | i'll make friends |
| NowhereMan | at a glasses shop? by bringing in your own frames? |
| durrf2 | i have some lenses from a pair of glasses i broke that i kinda wanna print a frame for |
| NowhereMan | uh, you might want to rethink that a bit |
| NowhereMan | the frames are where they make the $ |
| Lizards|Work | we have a lens cutting lab |
| Lizards|Work | /shrug |
| NowhereMan | oh |
| durrf2 | dont tell them i spent 3 dollars on my prescription glasses |
| Lizards|Work | right lol |
| TheHexaCube | tadaaah https://i.imgur.com/pnZCs5Z.png |
| Lizards|Work | dude i know how much the lenses cost :/ |
| durrf2 | www.goggles4u.com |
| TheHexaCube | 3 dollars? |
| TheHexaCube | huh |
| TheHexaCube | huuuuh |
| durrf2 | plus shipping |
| NowhereMan | so what is that board for, TheHexaCube |
| durrf2 | but yeah 3 bux |
| NowhereMan | looks like a 4 axis motion controller using a esp32 |
| durrf2 | ok well technically it was a buy one get one free and i bought a pair at 6 dollars |
| durrf2 | NowhereMan: SLA printer |
| NowhereMan | 4 axes? |
| DJHenjin | tilt wipe raise, pump |
| NowhereMan | isnt an basic SLA one axis? |
| TheHexaCube | DJHenjin: has it figured out :D |
| durrf2 | i think theres shit like a wiper and some other shit that FDM dosnt have |
| TheHexaCube | wait, not quite actually |
| TheHexaCube | :P |
| Spirit532 | Lizards|Work, does your lens cutting lab only cut glasses? :P |
| TheHexaCube | one is for X |
| TheHexaCube | one is for Z |
| TheHexaCube | one is a wiper |
| TheHexaCube | and 4th will probably be a pump, yeah |
| durrf2 | looks like you forogt to wiper yourself you poopybottomboy!!!! |
| durrf2 | to pump up the jam? |
| NowhereMan | ok, breakout all the unused pins so you can use that board for other CNC machines... |
| NowhereMan | what stepper drivers are you using? |
| durrf2 | ill break you out |
| TheHexaCube | TMC2130s |
| NowhereMan | nice |
| NowhereMan | if you are gonna make a controller board, might as well break out the other pins so you can use the thing for other apps |
| NowhereMan | and sell some |
| TheHexaCube | yeaaah, I'll... maybe do that |
| TheHexaCube | I'm struggling to get it done atm |
| durrf2 | rome wasnt built in a day |
| TheHexaCube | the problem is that it needs custom firmware, too |
| TheHexaCube | so it'd be a shitton work to use it for other CNC machinery |
| durrf2 | hey man thats your problem not mine |
| NowhereMan | it uses a 32 bit micro |
| NowhereMan | how hard would it be to get GRBL or Smoothieware running on it? |