| aaronmehar | hello.. quick question, apart from performance hit, can anyone think of an issue with having a RAID10 and RAID1 part of the same logical volume? |
| supo12 | aaronmehar, LVM is lot like honey badger it just don't care |
| aaronmehar | supo12, that is my thinking.. the only 'effect' I can see.. is slow write when the file is the R1 but read is the same speed |
| trae32566[w] | LVM <3 |
| trae32566[w] | aaronmehar: why a raid 1 and a raid 10 tho? |
| trae32566[w] | linux raid 10 may allow you to do what you want with a singular array |
| trae32566[w] | it's incredibly flexible |
| aaronmehar | trae32566[w], the RAID10 is already in place and used and the server only has 2 more slots.. Dell state the spanned arrays can not be expanded |
| aaronmehar | its Dell PERC H710 mini RAID array |
| trae32566[w] | oh, hardware raid |
| trae32566[w] | never mind |
| trae32566[w] | FTS, I prefer JBOD + MDADM |
| trae32566[w] | more flexible, more universal, and same performance |
| trae32566[w] | (most of the time, depending on cache config, etc) |
| Evolution | FINE ashp |
| Evolution | docker -28 is coming out |
| Evolution | ARE YOU HAPPY NOW |
| trae32566[w] | calm down Evolution |
| trae32566[w] | it's 6AM |
| trae32566[w] | lol |
| Evolution | trae32566[w]: NO |
| trae32566[w] | FU |
| Evolution | TODAY IS CAPSLOCK DAY |
| trae32566[w] | REALLY? |
| Evolution | NOT REALLY |
| Evolution | I JUST LIKE YELLING |
| trae32566[w] | OH. WELL I GUESS IT IS NOW. |
| Evolution | http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2015-April/151195.html |
| Evolution | CONTEXT FOR WHY I'M YELLING |
| Evolution | also, just ... *wow* http://imgur.com/gallery/ZTv1mPX |
| trae32566[w] | AHHH. I YELL BECAUSE I WORK WITH CUSTOMERS. |
| Evolution | I won't doubt the 'finding bigfoot' shows on tv anymore |
| Evolution | dallas better goddamn have nice weather today/tomorrow |
| trae32566[w] | Dallas? o.O |
| trae32566[w] | are you in dallas? |
| trae32566[w] | if so, I can come bother you |
| Evolution | wife and I are coming up for a day trip |
| trae32566[w] | o.O why the hell would you want to come here... |
| Evolution | gonna go check this place out -> http://carerescuetexas.com/ |
| trae32566[w] | any reason o.O |
| Evolution | because KITTY |
| trae32566[w] | that... actually looks cool. |
| trae32566[w] | well |
| trae32566[w] | actually not cool unless you get to pet them |
| trae32566[w] | I miss living in florida, lots of fun animals |
| trae32566[w] | huge fucking turtles, dolphins, snakes, foxes, bears |
| trae32566[w] | I've encountered them all at some point |
| trae32566[w] | the foxes are skiddish as fuck tho |
| trae32566[w] | Evolution: make sure you go tomorrow |
| trae32566[w] | if you try sunday it'll most likely rain |
| trae32566[w] | also, if you need anything or just get bored, LMK |
| trae32566[w] | actually you'll be closer to madsara |
| trae32566[w] | *** maxamillion |
| jokajak | morning #rhel |
| trae32566[w] | o' |
| trae32566[w] | * \o |
| Evolution | MerlinTHP: http://imgur.com/gallery/GO1tnLq |
| siXy | Evolution: hah |
| siXy | MerlinTHP might not be around though, as it's a bank holiday here |
| siXy | you know - those days when we don't have to work? Although other than the 4th of july I guess you guys aren't too familiar with that concept :P |
| billings | Wow. Microsoft is vastly changing the requirements for kernel modules in windows, including filesystem drivers |
| billings | basically making it impossible for open source |
| Bahhumbug | billings: citation? |
| billings | https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-info/2015-April/041325.html |
| Bahhumbug | Thanks. |
| siXy | eh, if that's what they have to do to stop it being so damn easy to get kernel mode as an exploit writer, it sucks but I'll take it. |
| billings | ACTION nods |
| billings | it just means that windows drivers are going to get insanely expensive |
| siXy | well - the amount of singing they'll have to do will tick massively upwards, which might mean the costs come down a bit |
| siXy | signing* |
| siXy | economies of scale and all that |
| billings | I know that it's going to basically kill the OpenAFS windows client |
| Bahhumbug | I don't blame them for their stance on this at all. It's a monetary issue for them and they are reacting as they deem necessary. And in the long run it's a good thing, really. |
| siXy | yes, I suspect it's going to be a bit of a killer for AFS, initially at least. But AFS is firmly in special snowflake territory here. |
| billings | ACTION shrugs |
| siXy | in that it's one of a fairly small list of opensource projects that actually need to run in kernel mode on windows, and the userbase (counted as number of organisations) is really pretty small even for a FOSS project |
| trae32566[w] | yeah but the other problem it will create is bigger |
| trae32566[w] | imagine Nvidia, Intel, etc have to send EVERY fucking driver to Microsoft to validate. That shit takes a long time |
| billings | well, nvidia, intel, AMD, those companies probably have teh cash to do that |
| siXy | trae32566[w]: nvidia drivers are already signed though? |
| trae32566[w] | and each windows version requires a separate validation, and servers have an entirely separate - and more stringent - validation process |
| siXy | plus what billings said |
| billings | I imagine that smaller hardware vendors are going to just be screwed |
| trae32566[w] | that's not the problem >.< |
| Evolution | it'll just lead to driver shims |
| Evolution | similar to how uefi is done on linux now. |
| billings | the shim won't ever be validated |
| siXy | Evolution: reading between the lines of what's in that ML post, that may not be allowed |
| billings | theres no more self-signing. Everything has to be signed by microsoft |
| Evolution | right |
| trae32566[w] | previously once certified, companies could sign that same driver with newer code without re-validating. Now they have to do it for *every* upgrade, meaning the time between upgrades will be vast |
| siXy | there'd be fairly little point in this if they were going to allow shims. |
| trae32566[w] | or rather once certified, the driver could be self-signed on future updates |
| trae32566[w] | and would be valid for all platforms |
| siXy | but if you look at the post, the estimated cost for re-signing the new release is really very very small |
| siXy | it's only $12k |
| trae32566[w] | that's not the problem tho |
| billings | I wonder if this is leading up to them giving away Windows 10 for free to anyone with a previous windows version? |
| trae32566[w] | the problem is how long microsoft will take to go through the validation process |
| trae32566[w] | it will significantly slow the release cycle of any drivers |
| siXy | billings: I doubt MS will make any money out of htis if that's what you mean - it'll cost MS a lot of money to audit this code properly |
| Evolution | http://imgur.com/gallery/E4FgfZF |
| Bahhumbug | This will put a damper in the 3748653897465897345 random driver updates that are pushed out everytime the wind changes direction and force vendors and developers to take more care in what the release and when. |
| billings | siXy: no, not monetarily, but because they're changing how to secure the system |
| trae32566[w] | "Oops, there's a bug in the nvidia drivers that causes a BSOD. Better plan on fixing it for the next annual driver release" |
| siXy | trae32566[w]: you're making assumptions about the efficiency of MS's re-signing process that might well not turn out to be valid - I suspect MS has thought of this, and worked to mitigate that as far as possible |
| billings | basically, bringing the walled garden approach into windows |
| trae32566[w] | siXy: a lot of things would need to change. It takes a decent amount of time currently |
| billings | $12k would be a lot for some of the scientific hardware vendors I've dealt with |
| MerlinTHP | siXy: I like the way you think I have something better to do on a bank holiday ;) |
| MerlinTHP | And I'm not just sat on the sofa watching netflix |
| siXy | MerlinTHP: ha! |
| billings | today's a bank holiday? I wonder if that's why traffic was so light today. |
| Bahhumbug | billings: "Good Friday" nonsense. |
| Bahhumbug | Many places have the day off. |
| billings | oh yeah |
| billings | I wodner if they cancelled school today |
| Bahhumbug | I didn't realize it was a bank holiday, however. |
| Bahhumbug | ACTION sighs |
| billings | yup, my wife said that there's no school today |
| trae32566[w] | heh |
| Evolution | wtf... why would you do this.... https://twitter.com/centoslinux |
| siXy | twitter is an unusual way of reading a mailing list |
| Evolution | dammit. |
| Evolution | first-world problems. I made too much money last year, so now I owe the IRS |
| billings | heh |
| trae32566[w] | 07:49 <eatmyid> Mint's a gateway OS tho, ay. |
| trae32566[w] | 07:49 <Corey84> gateway to what tho |
| trae32566[w] | 07:49 <trae32566[w]> ^ |
| trae32566[w] | 07:49 <trae32566[w]> Heroin |
| stpierre | Evolution: 362 followers... |
| Bahhumbug | That may be the single most idiotic thing I've yet to see on twatter. |
| Bahhumbug | And that is, to be fair, an accomplishment. |
| romgo_ | Hello, I'm looking for a RPM for NTP.pm any idea ? |
| romgo_ | I didn't found it on RHEL repo yet... |
| trae32566[w] | so um |
| trae32566[w] | romgo_: pkgs.org |
| trae32566[w] | and make SURE you set up priorities |
| trae32566[w] | yum install yum-plugin-priorities |
| trae32566[w] | man yum-plugin-priorities |
| stpierre | romgo_: i don't see any Net::NTP packages anywhere. you may have to build your own |
| stpierre | cpanspec makes it pretty easy |
| romgo_ | I would prefer avoid compiling on my monitoring server :/ |
| Bahhumbug | I can build this and make it available sometime today if you want. But it won't be until later this afternoon (US time). |
| stpierre | romgo_: so don't? |
| stpierre | build your RPM elsewhere |
| stpierre | that's, like, half the point of RPMs |
| trae32566[w] | btw guys |
| trae32566[w] | this is totally a thing |
| trae32566[w] | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/09/msg01699.html |
| siXy | anyone know if it's possible to make virtualbox (on windows) properly pin the host CPUs? |
| trae32566[w] | never knew that |
| trae32566[w] | siXy: um... why are you using VB :/ |
| siXy | my app is using 100% of core 4 in the VM, but on the host it's scheduled across multiple cores :( |
| siXy | trae32566[w]: this isn't work |
| trae32566[w] | yeah... and? |
| trae32566[w] | use KVM |
| siXy | on windows? yeah... |
| trae32566[w] | well.... actually you could use qemu, but I was assuming linux considering it's #rhel <.< |
| trae32566[w] | use Hyper-V |
| siXy | I did say windows |
| trae32566[w] | ahhh.. sorry |
| siXy | ACTION wonders if windows 7 comes with hyper-v |
| trae32566[w] | not AFAIK |
| trae32566[w] | only 8 enterprise |
| siXy | bah |
| trae32566[w] | yeah :/ |
| siXy | I have 7 ultimate |
| MerlinTHP | 7 has Virtual PC |
| trae32566[w] | yuck |
| trae32566[w] | VPC is crap |
| siXy | I wonder if virtualPC would be any better at cpu pinning though? |
| siXy | for what I'm trying to test, I really do need to make sure that a bound CPU on the guest is actually bound on the host |
| Evolution | siXy: why do you sound like ashp this morning? |
| Evolution | is this an invasion of the body snatchers thing? |
| siXy | Evolution: well, it's kinda because of ashp that I'm doing this |
| siXy | I thought I might make a start on some proper haproxy tuning documentation |
| siXy | but I need an environment I can actually count on doing the right thing, first - it doesn't particularly have to be fast, but it does have to be reproducible |
| ashp | oh wow, awesomehahahaha |
| ashp | uh, that hahaha was in response to what sixy said |
| ashp | i don't know what i wrote "oh wow, awesome" to |
| ashp | nothing in #rhel, ever ;D |
| MerlinTHP | ACTION loves netflix's "hey, are you still watching this?" periodic pop-ups |
| Evolution | they really need to change teh wording |
| Evolution | "hey, get off the $device and GO OUTSIDE" |
| MerlinTHP | Nooooo |
| trae32566[w] | ashp: oops, server reboot |
| trae32566[w] | sorry 'bout that |
| trae32566[w] | lo |
| trae32566[w] | *lol |
| davegarath | Hi all, I'm trying to setup a dual node cluster with quorum disk, but I have a problem with quorum : http://fpaste.org/206913/68558142/ |
| davegarath | can someone help me to understand what happing ? :) |
| davegarath | RHEL 5.4 |
| NameWitheld | Evolution: On April 1, between episodes of the same show you had the option of moving to the next episode or watching a Netflix video "Brush your teeth" "Walk the dog" "Take a shower" were the only ones I saw. |
| MerlinTHP | Heh |
| NameWitheld | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/01/netflix-binge-watching-warning_n_6981300.html |
| Bahhumbug | Is 5.4 still in EUS? |
| siXy | davegarath: 5.4?! |
| siXy | that's properly old |
| davegarath | siXy: yes I know |
| trae32566[w] | davegarath: upgrade |
| trae32566[w] | upgrade dammit |
| davegarath | but I have an old cluster in production and I have to replicate same version to test some task before apply that in production |
| trae32566[w] | what reason do you have for not upgrading >.> |
| davegarath | I can't upgrade in production right now |
| trae32566[w] | there's a couple of problems. I can look at it, but you may not get much done |
| trae32566[w] | you're using an un-updated release, and 5.x is soon to be EOL |
| trae32566[w] | @rhel5eol |
| fedbot | RHEL5 goes end of life on 2017-03-31, which is 1 year, 51 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 43 seconds from now |
| trae32566[w] | keep in mind the issue may be fixed in 5.5 - 5.x |
| Bahhumbug | That's all well and good, but is 5.4 still covered under extended support or has that been EOL'd as well? |
| stpierre | davegarath: two-node rhcs was complete and utter shit back in the bad old days that you're living in. i'm not surprised that you have a problem. |
| Evolution | I think 5.4 is EOL'd for EUS |
| Evolution | it's 5.7 currently I think |
| trae32566[w] | ^ |
| Evolution | I'm not sure. I'd need rigeld2 or Zathrus |
| trae32566[w] | he needs an adult. |
| trae32566[w] | xD |
| Evolution | I do. I require adult supervision |
| siXy | davegarath: are you using exactly the same config as your production cluster? |
| stpierre | rhel 5.4 is six years old. you haven't found time to update in productino in six years?!? |
| Evolution | he works for sony |
| Evolution | :-P |
| davegarath | siXy: as I can replicate. I'm using iscsi instead of fc storage because I don't have a fc storage in stage |
| stpierre | i was trying to check and make sure that i had used RHCS on 5.4 -- that was three jobs ago, after all -- and it turns out that i was running 5.5 at that job by the time I left. I've had four jobs since they last ran 'yum update'. and i'm not ashp. |
| davegarath | I want to understand the mechanism of quorum device in order to change quorum device in production ( we have replacing our storage with new one ) |
| stpierre | that sounds like an *amazing* opportunity to upgrade your ancient-ass RHEL, too |
| davegarath | and I want to do experiment in my dev place to test the task before do it in prod |
| siXy | ACTION wonders if you need twonode=1 when using qdisk |
| Evolution | siXy: two nodes, one device? |
| siXy | yeah... |
| Evolution | heh |
| siXy | I'd look it up but I don't trust docs for 5.11 to apply to 5.4 |
| stpierre | Evolution: "Two nodes, one cluster" is just as disgusting and wrong as the original |
| stpierre | especially on 5.4. yeesh, i'm having nightmarish flashbacks |
| siXy | Evolution: OOOH. |
| siXy | hah |
| ashp | stpierre: hahahahaha |
| ashp | 4 jobs for me == 4 weeks |
| Evolution | graphical representation of siXy and I... -> http://imgur.com/gallery/56uifVv |
| Evolution | stpierre: tax guy tells me yesterday I owe the irs ~ $3500 |
| stpierre | man, i haven't checked imgur in like 15 minutes, why isn't there anything new?!? |
| Evolution | I AM NOT AMUSED |
| stpierre | Evolution: sad :( |
| Evolution | dear IRS... WHY MUST YOU STEAL FROM MY VACATION MONIES? |
| stpierre | when we were going through our acquisition stuff they kept prattling on about the tax benefits of donating stock to charities, and i'm like, bitch who do you think i am, bill gates? donating stock and shit. turns out that it's actually a hella good deal if you've got lots of capital gains, and i'll probably be looking at doing so this year |
| stpierre | although "thankfully" we took a bath on the sale of our house, so i get to offset my options vesting with that big capital loss! so yay! |
| MerlinTHP | It's a bank holiday, I'm bored, why are there no new pictures to look at on my regular subreddits? |
| NameWitheld | ChromeOS has a developer preview version that runs Android apps. https://developer.chrome.com/apps/getstarted_arc |
| Evolution | stpierre: yeah. I can do that next year. |
| siXy | MerlinTHP: what are you doing looking at reddit when there's compiling to do? |
| Evolution | stpierre: this year it was "you make too much, so you don't get to claim your wife's educational status, or your student loan interest..." |
| stpierre | Evolution: i feel like such a grimy scumbag asshole even considering it, though |
| MerlinTHP | Evolution: what was that event you did in Edinburgh last year? |
| Evolution | MerlinTHP: linuxcon eu |
| Evolution | was .... 2 years ago? |
| siXy | actually - how is the arm stuff coming along? |
| MerlinTHP | Oh |
| MerlinTHP | ACTION loses track, apparently |
| siXy | does it actually work yet? |
| Evolution | siXy: MOTHERFUCKING JAVA WON'T BUILD |
| siXy | ahh. |
| Evolution | and I need it for build dependencies. |
| Evolution | also maven and a few other things. |
| stpierre | http://imgur.com/r/funny/BBfJUOh |
| MerlinTHP | I have a thing that boots on qemu-arm |
| MerlinTHP | I need to get it working on real hardware |
| Evolution | YES. YES YOU DO |
| MerlinTHP | Yeah, between the week and a bit of constant dental pain and work, I've not been doing stuff :( |
| trae32566[w] | 9AM and Evolution is already in caps-lock mode |
| trae32566[w] | *again* |
| Evolution | trae32566[w]: ITS GODDAMN JAVA CAPSLOCK IS JUSTIFIED |
| trae32566[w] | true |
| siXy | Evolution: estimated time until you give up and use fedora's java? |
| pipeline | building java sucks hella bad |
| pipeline | i've been experimenting with the graal stuff and building my own jdk is not fun at all |
| pipeline | the build scripts are really complicated |
| pipeline | i can only imagine how bad it was in the early days, or worse, pre-openjdk |
| Evolution | siXy: that'd be cheating, and I won't lower myself to it.... http://fpaste.org/206932/80702031/ |
| Ussat | Evolution, since when |
| siXy | you quitter you :D |
| Ussat | evil knows no limits (upper or lower) |
| siXy | besides you're already using the fedora kernel |
| ashp | thank god it's friday, guys |
| ashp | THAN KFUCKING GOD |
| Ussat | meh, I am off today :) |
| siXy | ACTION too |
| ashp | I love that america is the religious country |
| Ussat | ? |
| ashp | and yet we're the ones working friday/mon, what the fuck |
| ashp | even the uk gets this right |
| siXy | the uk has lots of public holidays |
| Evolution | ashp: dude, pilgrims came here to be *more* restrictive, not less |
| ashp | seriously |
| Ussat | what ya blabbering about ? I took it off because I wanted to |
| ashp | america hates days off |
| ashp | Ussat: in the uk friday/monday is a national holiday |
| ashp | as it is in like, most countries |
| Ussat | ashp, I donno, I have a good vacation schedule, no complaints here |
| ashp | Ussat: do you get 6 weeks off a year? |
| Ussat | Yes actually |
| Ussat | 6 weeks vacation + holidays |
| jnix | ashp: we're not a catholic country |
| jnix | i think our national cathedral is Presbyterian |
| Ussat | ashp, why you ask / |
| jnix | technically, i get 6 weeks. I have 4 weeks of useable vacation and a 2 week furlough from a few days before christmas til jan2 |
| Ussat | jnix, is that furlogh paid / |
| jnix | yup |
| Ussat | nice |
| Ussat | so ashp , not sure why the question |
| ashp | Ussat: Just that I consider 6 weeks to be "decent" |
| ashp | I was just wondering if you had that much vacation :) |
| jnix | he's just angry congress doesn't wear wigs =p |
| Ussat | I see |
| jnix | (does the HoL still wear wigs?) |
| Ussat | feel free to hop the boat back :) |
| jnix | ACTION eyes ashp's tea |
| ashp | when I worked shifts I could get 12 days off by taking 4 days vacation |
| jnix | ACTION eyes boston harbor |
| ashp | so I could get about 8-10 weeks a year with careful management |
| ashp | now i'm lucky to get 8-10 days |
| jnix | o.O |
| billings | ACTION checks his leave balance |
| billings | I hve 400 hours of PTO |
| Ussat | ashp, nice........sounds like you need a better job |
| ashp | jnix can't handle real vacation amounts, his mind is blown |
| ashp | Ussat: technically we have "unlimited vacation" which is so dumb |
| jnix | i've never taken a real vacation |
| Bahhumbug | s/catholic country/christian country/ |
| ashp | instead of unlimited they should have -minimum- amounts of 4 weeks |
| siXy | ashp: uuurgh |
| jnix | as you know, on account of being an american now, it's not cheap to travel |
| billings | I like taking vacations, but I don't really enjoy driving or flying |
| siXy | ashp: some of the more recent startups I've seen have unlimited with mandated minimums, which I approve of |
| shortbus- | billings: 400 hours? when was the last time you took PTO? |
| Ussat | ashp, why should places offer a minimum ? |
| siXy | but plain unlimited tends to equal almost none :( |
| billings | shortbus-: last month I think |
| ashp | Ussat: It forces people to take vacations, which is good for them |
| billings | but I earn 16 hours every month |
| ashp | siXy: yeah, that's what I'd like to see |
| Ussat | siXy, I have 320 |
| shortbus- | siXy: i had unlimited at my last gig, and i took at least 4 weeks a year |
| shortbus- | billings: not bad. |
| siXy | Ussat: because without a minimum people tend to feel guilty about taking what they feel is "too much", and this ends with a downward spirial of everyone taking less and less |
| jnix | choirboy should come back to IRC |
| jnix | lol |
| billings | we're getting into a time when we're aren't allowed to take off a whole week except for conferences |
| jnix | I heard he started an internal shitfest over indiana |
| Ussat | siXy, hmm...well. Most jobs start with 2 weeks and you get more as youre there longer |
| shortbus- | billings: wait, 16 hours a month sucks, that's only ~8 days a year |
| Ussat | which seems fair |
| billings | ? |
| billings | its 24 days a year |
| stpierre | shortbus-: that's two hours a month, which is 24 days a year |
| stpierre | which is pretty damn nice |
| shortbus- | ACTION sighs |
| billings | I also get nights off. |
| stpierre | do you even math bro? |
| billings | for free! |
| stpierre | hehe |
| siXy | here everyone gets 4 weeks min (excl. self employed/contract), which is a reasonable amount |
| shortbus- | math is hard. i did 16*12/24 instead of 16*12/8 |
| ashp | work has managed to creep into my dreams, so I don't even get nights off |
| pipeline | i had unlimited at my last gig, and that basically translated to two weeks at christmas. |
| gaurdro | plus christmas->new years off |
| siXy | ashp: do you work from home? |
| pipeline | i would really hesitate to take another job advertising unlimited vacation haha |
| stpierre | ashp: i don't want to be that guy, but if you stayed at jobs longer you might actually accrue some PTO... |
| ashp | siXy: not anymore |
| billings | yeah, we get 4 days of 'winter holiday days' we have to use between xmas and ny |
| ashp | stpierre: Stay at a job? I'm not sure what you mean |
| Ussat | stpierre, ++ |
| siXy | working from home is the worst thing for never getting to switch your brain out of work mode |
| shortbus- | what i really don't like is that our PTO is use or lose |
| ashp | siXy: I find myself trying to explain our problems to people in my sleep :/ |
| Ussat | shortbus-, most is after a certian ammount saved |
| pipeline | that's standard now, in 20 fucking 15 i don't think you get to bank pto unless you're union :( |
| siXy | ashp: I know what you mean :) |
| gaurdro | I just wish I could cash out my vacation time. |
| billings | yeah, I stop accruing PTO after I earn 400 hours, I think |
| billings | so I might have already lost time |
| ashp | Time to learn troposphere to write my cloudformation stuff :( |
| pipeline | gaurdro: aren't they legally obligated to cash you out when you quit? :) |
| billings | not here |
| Ussat | pipeline, not true, I can bank pto and am not union |
| billings | (I work at umich.edu too) |
| pipeline | Ussat: public employee? |
| gaurdro | pipeline, depends on how you leave actually. |
| Ussat | I work at a .edu yea, but not union |
| pipeline | ok, then. i should have said, "union or public employee" haha |
| gaurdro | pipeline, for certain types of firing, and leaving you get your vacay paid out, others not. |
| billings | as far as I know, there is no staff union |
| Ussat | pipeline, many private jobs offer that also, last one did |
| pipeline | Ussat: i think that is fading, but i do not have an HR trade rag article to point to |
| stpierre | i put together a graph of my PTO + sick leave over time the other day. kinda depressing as i transitioned from .edu to .gov to .com :/ |
| Ussat | its not exclusive to union or public |
| gaurdro | billings, it be bad for the Universities mission to allow any more unionization than they absolutely have to. |
| billings | you only say tht because they sent union-busters after you |
| Ussat | pipeline, I can name a few right off top of my head that do that now |
| pipeline | Ussat: i'm sure the count is more than 0, but it's an increasingly rare benefit. i sure don't know anyone who doesn't have vicious nasty accrual setups at work :( |
| shortbus- | every job i've had but the unlimited pto and this one i could bank pto |
| gaurdro | ACTION is spitting distance from 300 hours. |
| pipeline | making the big change from annual lumps to accrual might just be the time that execs decide to make rollover a bitch, and the two policies are otherwise unrelated |
| Ussat | I guess, but I never worked for one. every job I have been at allowed banking up to a point |
| gaurdro | billings, that was actually from an email from the grad school. |
| gaurdro | oh, and if people are looking for a good cause that's tax deductible. donations to kiva are if you're in the US. |
| ashp | I only donate to the coffee for myself fund |
| trae32566[w] | +1 |
| jnix | my coworker, a unix admin, is coding a website to correlate vms to the host/cluster they're on |
| jnix | he's doing this with powershell/asp.net/sql |
| jnix | and here i am deploying the manageiq vm |
| jnix | I wonder who will win |
| jnix | boss is having him do it because he said he could, and he's on like week 4 nowj |
| pipeline | o_0 |
| siXy | having used manageiq, I suspect it'll take you both about the same amount of time :) |
| jnix | i just downloaded and configured the virtual appliance and it's done it's discovery in about 49 minutes |
| pipeline | just to report on whether VMs are acheiving a desired redundancy level? |
| jnix | yeah |
| pipeline | you would think that would be like a 2 day job |
| jnix | siXy: for this purpose manageiq out of the box is fine |
| pipeline | vsphere api ain't rocket science |
| jnix | pipeline: unless you're all talk and no walk, which is why we're having this demonstration today |
| siXy | ah, ok. we wanted to do other stuff with it - it's kinda a bit sharepointy in a way - it CAN do almost anything, but the flexibility can lead to a lot of complexity |
| jnix | siXy: yep, but i'm still going to end up using it for managing a "hybrid cloud" |
| jnix | because I run linux and don't want to have to use a windows VM to fuck with vsphere and hyper-v |
| jnix | hehe |
| siXy | vsphere webui works on linux btw |
| siXy | assuming 5.5 |
| jnix | in chrome |
| jnix | but the latest version of chrome doesn't work with the client integration bundle so you get the crappy vnc console |
| siXy | yeah if you wanna use lynx, opera or some other horribly limited browser it might not work |
| jnix | yay, vmware \o/ |
| jnix | Honestly I just want to use firefox |
| jnix | I dislike chrome |
| siXy | if you actually need to get a console on a VM, something's gone horribly wrong |
| siXy | or you havne't automated nearly enough things |
| jnix | yep |
| jnix | usually it's when something has gone horribly wrong so i need to open the console to fsck or whatever |
| jnix | i use my paperweight like twice a month |
| jnix | err laptop |
| siXy | throw vm away, start over :) easier than fsck |
| siXy | faster probably too |
| shortbus- | jnix just use a windows VM, and RDP into that from linux |
| trae32566[w] | jnix: specs on laptop? |
| shortbus- | that's what i did for years, works great |
| trae32566[w] | also |
| jnix | fuck yo windows vm |
| trae32566[w] | we still haven't gone to texas de brasil |
| siXy | I think the only time I've needed a VM console this year is when RHEV was throwing out a MAC addy for new VMs that our DHCP server didn't like |
| jnix | trae32566[w]: 16gb of memory, i7, latest gen dell latitude |
| jnix | windows 8.1 w/ secureboot |
| shortbus- | you just leave the vsphere app running 100% of the time, it's like rdp to an app |
| shortbus- | easier that dealing w/ a windows laptop, and you don't have to carry it around w/ you |
| gaurdro | trae32566[w], there's one up here. I wish they offered a 'salad bar only' option too. |
| jnix | Oh, i don't carry it with me |
| jnix | it lives in a bag under my desk |
| trae32566[w] | gimme |
| trae32566[w] | I want it |
| jnix | it's a paperweight, I won't use it |
| trae32566[w] | I need it :| |
| jnix | trae32566[w]: come work here, then i will have it reassigned to you |
| jnix | lol |
| Evolution | dear google. I know how to leave my fucking neighborhood. |
| jnix | my desktop is bad ass though |
| Evolution | give me the option to leave off some steps for google maps pls |
| siXy | Evolution: lie about your starting location? |
| NameWitheld | siXy: GPS tracking. |
| NameWitheld | Oh, maybe not with maps. Nevermind. |
| siXy | yeah but you can change from to be some other place can't you? |
| siXy | if you care about that stuff |
| NameWitheld | siXy: I use Maps on my phone to go "Here I am, how do I get here?" and it always wants me to make an illegal turn onto a freeway on-ramp. -.- |
| trae32566[w] | jnix: I dunno, I really love my job |
| trae32566[w] | after seeing what a shitty job is like all my life, it's fucking awesome here. |
| ashp | i got a fist bump from our CFO for being an atheist, lol |
| LzrdKing | how do i get a package into a base satellite channel? i need to make glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.x86_64.rpm available to all managed systems |
| Evolution | http://i.imgur.com/B7BoIfO.jpg |
| Evolution | dude you're punching out a bit low don't ya think? |
| jnix | isn't ejecting from that height pretty dangerous |
| jnix | chute doesn't really have time to deploy and you're strapped to a chair |
| jnix | *thunk* |
| stpierre | "Due to the constraints of automated processes, please do not include commas in your response." |
| siXy | stpierre: INJECTION TIME |
| gaurdro | jnix, perhaps better than a boom? |
| gaurdro | http://thedailywh.at/2015/04/nostalgia-day-strong-bad-checks-e-mail-first-time-since-2009/ |
| shortbus- | stpierre: what weak ass shit is that from? |
| stpierre | grad school application |
| stpierre | specifically, the part where you get 300 characters to relate your criminal past, without commas |
| shortbus- | is 300 chars enough for you? |
| shortbus- | can you just include a link to your rap sheet? |
| Evolution | REGISTERED CYCLER, KNOWN JAYWALKER |
| Evolution | wait, no commas |
| Evolution | shit. |
| shortbus- | try semicolons |
| gaurdro | registered known jaycycler |
| stpierre | i just put down "MENACE 2 SOCIETY" |
| Evolution | stpierre: needs to include `; AND 1=1;--; |
| Evolution | just to test |
| LzrdKing | i hate satellite :P i found that package in a base channel and some clones, but it's tedious to get it into all the other clones |
| LzrdKing | and slooooow |
| NameWitheld | rigeld2: Docker roulette? https://github.com/hiroakis/docker-sensu-server/blob/88e7d040adf2850f4e56b5734052af0b3a4b0243/Dockerfile#L33-35&v=3 |
| stpierre | NameWitheld: lines 18 and 21 are nice too |
| stpierre | ugh, and he has ADDs before running yum installs. use the cache, luke! |
| NameWitheld | stpierre: And 33-5 and 44-5 looks like copying someone's provided SSL cert and key. Meaning everyone has the same ones and access to the installs.. Right? |
| stpierre | i don't think everyone has access, but it's definitely the case that, insofar as the traffic leaves the container, it is not meaningfully encrypted |
| stpierre | i don't even understand why he's creating a user at all. i'm guessing he doesn't either |
| siXy | NameWitheld: no, line 31 generates new certificates and keys |
| siXy | NameWitheld: it's line 18 and 21 that are horrific |
| NameWitheld | Okay, then. Yay for marginally less horrible! |
| siXy | the rest of it is merely common or garden internet cruft |
| stpierre | what makes me sad is the confident knowledge that someone at a Fortune 100 company is looking at this and using it as an example for how to structure a Dockerfile |
| siXy | stpierre: I'm not massively familiar with the inner workings of dokcerfiles - I'd be interested to hear why the ADD before the yum install is bad |
| Evolution | VOTE: http://siliconangle.tv/jim-whitehurst-vs-pam-murphy-cubemadness/ |
| Evolution | siXy: it's not really. but it can lead to wasted disk space due to cache issues. |
| Evolution | I dislike that he doesn't 'yum clean all' after each yum run as well. |
| stpierre | ADDs aren't cached very well (if at all?), so basically everything after an ADD has to be done every time. if he put his yum installs at the top, they'd be run the first time you built the container, and then cached |
| MerlinTHP | But he's ADDing repo configs |
| MerlinTHP | So surely he can't do that? |
| MerlinTHP | Or is there a better way to add repo configs? |
| stpierre | i'd be tempted to do it with a cat > sensu.repo (if there's no -release RPM available, of course) |
| MerlinTHP | Ah, right |
| stpierre | or, if that's too nasty, just do all of the other yum installs first, then add the repo, then install the one package that actually requires it |
| Evolution | the docker kids are pissing me off today anyway |
| Evolution | they don't want to approve a systemd enabled base container, because it defines an ENV, and some volumes |
| Evolution | not really sure how that's up to them |
| jokajak | Evolution: I feel you may be biased ref. Jim Whitehurst vs Pam Murphy |
| Evolution | I didn't say who to vote for |
| Evolution | but yes, I am slightly biased |
| Evolution | (VOTE JIM) |
| Evolution | is Comnenus here today? http://imgur.com/gallery/PVOXWfq |
| gaurdro | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3693 |
| Evolution | http://imgur.com/a/VSVqX?gallery |
| Evolution | godyes |
| Comnenus | Evolution: yo |
| Comnenus | That is adorable |
| jnix | wait, since when is spiderman on the avengers |
| jnix | and who is this new attractive young spider man |
| MerlinTHP | Spidey's been an avenger in the comics for a long time |
| jnix | yeah, but not in the movie |
| jnix | because Sony said no. |
| MerlinTHP | And that's Andrew Garfield, from the last couple of Spidey films. |
| MerlinTHP | Will be in one of the upcoming films, Marvel and Sony have reached an agreement. |
| jnix | this is creepy |
| jnix | and woo |
| jnix | t |
| chri5p | WOOT...it's Friday! |
| billings | ACTION checks the calendar |
| Evolution | one of my favorites -> https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/batman-ironman-spiderman-money-fight-2full.jpg |
| MerlinTHP | Accurate. |
| shortbus- | when did they make a spiderman / avenger comic cross-over? those aren't even the same movies. |
| shortbus- | bah. can't even troll well today. |
| MerlinTHP | ACTION pats |
| MerlinTHP | ( the answer is 1966, btw ) |
| chri5p | wow, it's quite in here today |
| chri5p | must have been ONE HELLUVA party last night or something |
| jnix | it's Friday |
| chri5p | so, no ones on here on Friday's? damn lucky bastards! |
| chri5p | :D |
| chri5p | it's soooooo amazingly nice outside right now, I'd be at the beach if I wasn't working |
| Comnenus | chri5p: ugh |
| chri5p | http://surfinggator.com/Tampa/cams/cams.html |
| Comnenus | chri5p: yes, I have been super hungover all fucking day |
| chri5p | Comnenus: what was the exact poison? or was it a mixture? |
| chri5p | this is the beach about 2 miles from me right now: http://clearwaterbeachtourism.com/webcams/webcam-clearwater-pier.htm |
| Comnenus | chri5p: moscow mules. |
| Comnenus | I suspect they used *CHEAP* vodka |
| Comnenus | This feels like an Absolut hangover. |
| Comnenus | I have never had a good experience with Absolut. |
| chri5p | Vodka, ginger beer and lime juice? |
| chri5p | sounds tasty |
| chri5p | OH, if you want a good Vodka (hard to find in other places but you can order it from here): http://cane-vodka.com/ |
| Baggypants12000 | I'm here but just to look smug. |
| chri5p | some of the BEST vodka I've had...and the owner and founder took us on a tour |
| Baggypants12000 | I quite like Stoli |
| Baggypants12000 | Zubrowka is my fave though |
| chri5p | I've had several high end vodka's, but this one has been my fav so far |
| Baggypants12000 | I had a vodka from texas when I was in the US, didn't rate it that much myself though. |
| Baggypants12000 | I see the nutters on Slashdot are going on about MS open sourcing windows. |
| chri5p | this one is in Florida...and the dude is obsessive (met him, he served me some seriously good spirits) |
| chri5p | makes Vodka, Gin and Moonshine |
| chri5p | but the Vodka is amazing |
| chri5p | they only do small batches so it's not as well known as many other larger names |
| chri5p | but they use as much "local" and "native" product as they can |
| chri5p | so the sugar cane comes from Florida as do most of the infusers (orange, lemon, lime, watermelon, strawberry, etc) |
| chri5p | which is why they don't always have all the flavors, they are seasonal due to the harvests |
| chri5p | they are fairly new too...think like 2011 or something |
| Baggypants12000 | So ... not likely to be in Wetherspoons any time soon then. |
| chri5p | probably not...you'd need to order it :/ |
| chri5p | it's fairly good price-wise though |
| ionelmc | hello |
| ionelmc | what does this rpm specfile macro mean "%{!?thing:other thing}" ? |
| ionelmc | is there a good place explaining these obscure macros? |
| siXy | yes, it's at http://place.something |
| jnix | Comnenus: i'm bored, i need entertainment |
| jnix | fix it |
| Comnenus | jnix: uh |
| Comnenus | jnix: what do you want me to do? |
| Comnenus | chri5p: I cannot order booze in this state. :( |
| siXy | ionelmc: as you obviusly didn't get that, that was a hint that obfustacating the information you're after isn't helpful |
| jnix | Comnenus: idk |
| jnix | i should just go home early |
| Comnenus | hmm |
| Comnenus | watch something on netflix? |
| chri5p | Comnenus |
| chri5p | what state? |
| ionelmc | siXy: i'm sorry, i thought you were just trolling me ;-) |
| Bahhumbug | He was :) |
| ChibaPet | Comnenus: Dance. |
| Comnenus | chri5p: Massachusetts |
| Comnenus | chri5p: we cannot order alcohol here - must go through a distributor. Pretty lame. I think they reached some agreement so people could join wine clubs, but that's about it. |
| billings | stupid blue laws |
| jokajak | I've been waiting for mac mail to repair my inbox for over an hour. Up to 292367 of 356431 messages |
| ChibaPet | Pipe down and put your hair shirts back on, damn you. |
| chri5p | Comnenus: damn, and I liked massachusetts when I visited |
| LzrdKing | how do i get glibc-2.5-123.el5_11.1.x86_64.rpm into my base rhel 5 channel in satellite? do i need to sync it with redhat in some way? |
| Comnenus | chri5p: I like it...it's just something we can't do. And it is a small thing. |
| Comnenus | chri5p: where did you visit? |
| ChibaPet | Comnenus: Tell him about the "Droit du seigneur". |
| chri5p | Comnenus: North Attleborough (sp??) |
| chri5p | was beautiful up there |
| ChibaPet | ! |
| chri5p | took the train in to the city |
| Comnenus | ChibaPet: "there is no evidence this ever happened" |
| chri5p | there was soooooo much wood plank siding everywhere I looked (looks funny from my perspective because I live in FL) |
| Comnenus | chri5p: It's a nice town. |
| chri5p | My ex is from there |
| chri5p | it's one of the things I miss...not so much her, but going up there to visit and act like a tourist :D |
| ChibaPet | chri5p: Visit Plymouth sometime. There's a lot of good tourist stuff around there. And did you do a duck tour while you visited Boston? That'd be worth it by itself. |
| LzrdKing | glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.x86_64.rpm is in my rhel 6 channel, and i didn;t have too do anything |
| LzrdKing | to do* |
| LzrdKing | ugh, its available on the satellite server to install via yum, but it appears not to be in any repo |
| polarrat | hi |
| polarrat | I am getting this error message when trying to connect via irssi in Centos 7 https://gist.github.com/kichuku/c477eeed4ec8882fbcc0 I am using the instructions found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010780 and replaced authentication type as PLAIN instead of DH-BLOWFISH as I read that blowfish is no longer supported |
| polarrat | I am trying to autologin when I am connecting to freenode |
| polarrat | But it isn't working. |
| gaurdro | ACTION hates being an interviewer |
| kaos01 | better than being a job hunter :) |
| gaurdro | kaos01, eh, at least in that case the interviewee would have some clue wtf was going on. |
| ChibaPet | I used to enjoy both sides of that, but it's tedious being the subject and it's depressing having to reject people. |
| ChibaPet | Even more tedious is identifying the perfect candidate and getting management resistance for no valid reason. |
| ChibaPet | I was told that the candidate's accent was too thick, in one case, and that she'd have trouble communicating with some of the clientele. For a senior Unix sysadmin role. |
| kaos01 | mmm |
| billings | dammit |
| gaurdro | ACTION damns that! |
| billings | gaurdro warned me about this place... |
| billings | they lost my order |
| billings | the guy was standing in front of the drink cooler, turning the faces forward. |
| billings | so it isnt busy at all |
| chri5p | Have a Happy Holiday weekend! "May you find all the eggs before they expire" |
| mmercer | hey guys, didnt ssh/pam make it so that you can explicitly force 2 authentication parameters, thought we had a slight discussion on this a while back |
| jhutchins | mmercer: Well, you can use a key with a password. |
| jhutchins | mmercer: I'm pretty sure pam has a mechinism for multi-factor authentication. |
| jhutchins | mmercer: You could configure /etc/pam.d/ssh* to require both key and password. |